southsideirish

QUOTE(Sox It To Em @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stupid bunt call. Thanks, Ozzie. How is that a bad call? Move him over, get him in. The basics of baseball. It is Ozzie's fault that the idiot Iguchi can't get the bunt down? Come on now! EXECUTE F-U-C-K-HEADS!!!!!

QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Seriously. He never comes up big when the situation calls for it. Not for a while now. Nice rookie season though.

QUOTE(Drew @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ALCS, Game 3. Resulted in the first run of the game. Still, been too long. Let him swing the bat, he's had a good day. Dude, you have to know how to bunt. Runner on 2nd, no outs, not a middle of the order guy, that is what you do. You move the runner over and get him in. YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO BUNT. SHould have been runner on 3rd with 1 out, sacrifice fly/base hit gets him in. Gooch screwed up.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Time for the Tasmanian Devil to get into his spin. Alex Cintron in for TD. Pablo in for AJ.

Can we send Iguchi down and get a new 2baseman? He is really pissing me off.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think I want him closing. That was some awesome pitching.

QUOTE(Friend of Nordhagen @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Two years in a row this team was not ready when the bell rang. That's the manager. Really? How so? Ozzie seemed pretty pissed off when they were playing lazy and lost 7 straight in spring traning. What do you want the manager to do to get these guys ready to play intense baseball? The players have to take the responsibility/blame for that. The manager can't make the guys play intense. That is some f'd up reasoning.

QUOTE(shoota @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never said Guillen chose Marte instead of McCarthy because of race. I was showing how McCarthy over Marte was the better choice, regardless of Guillen's reasoning. Excuse me, but it seems as though that is what you were insinuating. Others here in this thread did state that. After those posts were made, you stated this: What is that something else? Please explain what you mean by that something else.

QUOTE(shoota @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ozney, if you can't admit Brandon McCarthy was the better pitcher than Damaso Marte down the stretch of '05, this thread is without value. Soon after naming his ALDS roster, Guillen was asked why he chose Marte over McCarthy. Guillen's response was that McCarthy had started a game close to the end of the season, so he wouldn't likely be available to pitch in the ALDS, unlike a rested Marte. Guillen proved that quote to be a lie (perhaps starting fans to find their own reason why Guillen chose Marte over McCarthy) when he failed to swap Marte for McCarthy on the ALCS and WS roster. Since McCarthy had the entire ALDS to rest, Marte pitched poorly in the ALDS, and Guillen STILL didn't swap players, reveals Guillen made that roster decision not on talent and performances, but on something else. Possibly a lefty in the bullpen? If not that, how about McCarthy sucks out of the bullpen? How about McCarthy was an unproven rookie? There are 3 possibilities other than to speculate hispanic players over white players.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> \The whole "I wish I could say what I have to say." comment has been talked about by every news outlet. If that is true then every news outlet must have done like a 1 minute 1 paragraph segment on it because I don't recall this at all. Do you have a link or something on this? I would like to read about it. It sounds like something is possibly being taken out of context. Nevermind, I found it: Ozzie's Comments It doesn't really sound bad to me. I think there is something missing to the rest of the conversation though.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Somehow the White Sox are doomed, but the Cubs and Dodgers hardly fall? Ridiculous! http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10106039 And the Red Sox get killed by the Royals, yet they stay number 1? That is f'd up.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think his biggest preference is old/experienced players over young/inexperienced players no matter what their talent levels, much like Dusty Baker but that's just my opinion. Umm, that would go for most, if not all, major league baseball managers, not just Baker, Pinella, Ozzie... Every manager prefers the experienced player that won't make the bone-headed mistakes of a rookie no matter what the talent level is. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It seems Ozzie and Freddy had a falling out. Yeah the falling out was he went from throwing 92-94 to 87-89.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because we now know officially who has made each team's 25 man roster. Sorry, I am still confused. Why does the 2006 payroll matter when we are in the 2007 season? Even if we know our 2007 25 man roster, why do we care about the 2006 payroll? Nevermind, someone changed the title to now state 2007. It originally stated 2006 and no where in the article did it mention the year. How did the Cubs payroll only jump 3 million? They had an offseason spending spree and only jumped 3 million? The player in CF is making at least 3 million more than they CF from last year isn't he? Did Pierre make 11 million last year? Thier pitching staff is making a ton more, isn't it? I just don't get it.

Excuse me, but why are we looking at 2006 MLB payrolls on April 3, 2007? What's the deal?

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Apr 1, 2007 -> 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stone >>>>>> farmio I would rather have Stone replace DJ on TV or Chris Singleton on the radio. I really don't like either of those guys. I like Farmio a great deal. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> IMO, Stoney and Singleton were the one bright spot in today's game. I think today proved that Singleton actually has some potential as an announcer and Farmer is holding him back at this point. He seemed more relaxed with Stoney, they were interacting well and Singleton was actually providing some solid commentary. I think Chris just gets a little uneasy around Farmer. If the Sox went to a permanent booth of Singleton/Stone, I'd never listen to Hawk again. I highly doubt Singleton's uneasiness is in relation to Farmer. I don't care for Singleton at all and I didn't care for him yesterday with Stone. He has absolutely nothing to offer. As another poster stated, Stone did a lot of the talking yesterday anyway.

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Green sarcasm aside, I believe that a lot of people (as told in this entire thread) blame the coaches for the players own shortcomings. Nobody blamed walker in the first half of last year. Just the second half when they were all tired/slumping. Yea...that's Walks fault. This seemingly shortsighted, what have you done for me lately, finger pointing blame game seems weak...and it seems like one of the CONSTANT themes around here as of late. I just wish the lot of them could go back to enjoying the game of baseball instead of finding ways to bash every little flaw they see. Of course.That is exactly what I was trying to say.

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I still think that sometimes, it's not the coaches fault...and the players are simply doing what they should know better than to try. Let's see...if pulling the ball isn't working -- it stands to reason the player should be intelligent enough to change that approach without a coach telling him what he should be/shouldn't be doing. I know if my boss trains me in a way that doesn't work best for ME, although I'll tell him/her I'll try it, I'll simply do it the way that works best for me if I notice his/her method isn't working. Wow, you mean you can actually think for yourself? We can't expect a player to be able to do that. The coach has to tell him how to do everyhing. It is the whole organization's approach! Something is broken and we need to fix it! Honestly, can't it be that these players see this stadium as a launching pad and they just want to pound the ball out of the park any chance they get? Is that a possibility? I don't know, I am just trying to put 2 and 2 together. QUOTE(ScottyDo @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, I know patience is not a virtue here, but Iguchi has played exactly one game this season. How about we let him play at LEAST a week before we decide he's even slumping, and then 3-4 to decide there's an actual problem. His mechanics might not look great, but he's Iguchi, not some rookie scrub. I think it is because he had hit lower in the order last spring with horrendous results, so most see it as a bad thing. It is more than just one game to some here. Kinda silly, I know, but it is what it is.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I love the argument that its only the players and not the coaches. If that is the case, then why do you have hitting and pitching coaches. Why not just have AJ work with the pitchers, and the hitters police themselves. Good coaches can help maximize talent. We only have to look here at what a good pitching coach can do. Look at Matt Thornton, sure a major leaguer in the sense of the word, but talented and cannot find the strikezone. Coop works with him, and presto chango a miracle has happened. He starts to pound the zone with high 90s heat. I am sure that if Seattle thought that Matt could throw high 90s heat they wouldnt of ditched him for LTP. Coaches help maximize the talent. They have video and review for flaws and bad mechanics. They help minimize bad streaks, and help keep the player on the straight and narrow. Now its just a coincidence that all of our top hitting prospects come to this organization with the same long looping swing. Now its just a conicidence that Stewart is now hitting after being tagged cannot hit, however when he gets to work with a hitting coach in Texas thats considered the Coop of hitting, he changes his stance and starts to make solid contact. A hitting coach or pitching coach doesnt hit for the player, but they help the player utilize the best of their talent. Now if the approach is to hit home runs, we will see what we see, lots of strikeouts, a lot of one game 12 runs the next game hard to scrap a few hit together. We will see when its hard to string hits together at times. Walk by his own quotes, is producing a home run hitting approach. This is not his fault, this has been our strategy for the last 7 years and 3 hitting coaches. My thought is we need to ditch that as a whole, and get back to a more pure hitting approach. With the park factor, home runs will come, you dont need to try and hit them here. I have never heard Walker promote a home run hitting approach for ALL of his players or against ALL pitchers or in ALL situations. There are situations for everything. The players should and must know the situation and how to hit in it. I think you are gathering his quotes and using him against him in a way that you see fit. That is your prerogative to do so, but I think it is misleading. A lot or most of the blame and credit should go to the players. Some to the coaches, but not even close to the majority. I would say an 85 player 15 coach split. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Take a look at AJ's splits and tell me that he was the same hitter. To be realy honest, I could care less if the middle 3 try to launch it too the moon. They are monster power hitters. Its when our number 6 and 7 and 8 hitter are trying to hit home runs. Thats when its madness. You blame Walker for this why? He has one approach under Walker in the first half and a totally different approach, under the same hitting coach, and you blame Walker? Why not blame the player that is doing it? This whole argument is really silly to me. Also you give Cooper credit but take away Walker's? Cooper worked with Loaiza for his great year and the following year Loaiza looked like crap. Does Cooper deserve the blame for Loaiza not being the same pitcher as he was the year before? As I said this whole argument is very silly. The coaches deserve very little of the blame and credit. They should be able to place the players in the best situation possible for them to succeed, that is it. The rest of it is on the players.

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If it's not Ozzie and KW's fault, it's Anderson versus Erstad and Pods, and once again that becomes Ozzie's fault. If it's none of the above, it's Walkers fault. If it's not Walkers fault, it'll be Razor Shines fault. Blah blah blah... If you move Iguchi down in the order, and he cannot hit, it's Iguchi's fault, it's not Walker, it's not Ozzie, it's not KW. If you can hit #2, you should be able to hit #7, #8 and #9, too...these are major league ballplayers, not t-ballers. No excuses should be necessary. The CONSTANT whining on this board is getting really old. If it's not one thing it's another thing. You know what I just realized...this board (almost the ENTIRE thing) is represented by Randy Quaid in Major League 2. You're not happy unless your b****ing about how much this team sucks, and if the team happens to do well, you'll just say, "it won't matter...they're just gonna blow it in the playoffs anyway." The characters name in ML2 was Jonny. All of you b****ing in this thread = Jonny. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!1

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rock were the best offensive team in baseball in the first half, and then like always we stunk donkey balls in the 2nd half. We can look at overall numbers and our great offensive start looked great, but you can look at the run differences between when we lead all of baseball in the first half and sucked in the 2nd half. 2006 pre-allstar break 1st 520 runs, post-allstar break 9th in the AL 348 runs, KC scored 361 BTW 2005 pre-allstar break 413 runs pASB 328 runs Now in 2004 we were an all or nothing team, hence why we supposedly had to ditch Valentin, Lee and the rest. But the balance looks more even in 2004, than it doesn in 2006, and 05. 2004 pre 462 post 403 runs According to White Sox hitting coach Greg Walker, taking opposing pitchers deep once again will be a crucial staple for the team's attack in 2007. For that fact playing out, Walker makes absolutely no apologies. Look at our players," said Walker, speaking on a topic that always seems to draw a little fire from the knowledgeable man in charge of the White Sox offense. "You go [Nos.] 3 through 7 [in the lineup], and even [Juan] Uribe to a certain extent, and they are big boys. To be honest, the middle of our order doesn't run real well, so what do you want them to do? Can't you contribute some of this to Jim Thome benig hurt in the second half and when he did hit he was not the same hitter? I mean he was a big part of that. I am not saying how much, but it did make a difference.

I would much rather have Brian Anderson playing CF, but look at this website: 2007 Preview Potential Lineup LF Scott Podsednik CF Brady Anderson 2B Tadahito Iguchi 1B Paul Konerko DH Jim Thome RF Jermaine Dye 3B Joe Crede C A.J. Pierzynski SS Juan Uribe/Alex Cintron It states that we have Brady Anderson in CF, WOWIE WOW!

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, you're not. I don't know how the pressure is off. Sure, it may be off in the beginning of the season; but if we're in contention no one is going to surprised. I'll sure as hell guarantee anyone that the pressure will mount if we're struggling out of the gate. Even with varying opinions on our success from fans, Williams isn't treating this season as a rebuilding effort. He'll be justly criticized for our failures. A major league ballclub configured specifically for contention shouldn't need bulletin board material from baseball writers selecting them for 3th or 4th place. Only motivation necessary is winning, and perhaps earning themselves a large payday further down the road. If you are a good team and you expect your team to win then the pressure is always on to win. You place that pressure on yourself. It is when you are on an awful team and you know it that there is no pressure to what you do or your team does. I suspect that everyone on this team expects to win and beleives they have a good team. If that is so, then the pressure is there for them to win. The pressure doesn't come from the media. This is a good team. Most, if not all, writers do not get a chance to see every team play. There is no way that they could possibly make a fair assessment of all the teams in the league, which is why they are almost always wrong. They get their opinions from listening to other people's opinions and then come up with their own. There is no reason to think these "experts" know any more than a good baseball fan and there is no reason a good baseball fan should care that much about what these "experts" have to say about their favorite team. It makes for good conversation and debate, but that is about it.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Mar 28, 2007 -> 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Taylor is great, if he doesn't derail his career with personal problems. Huff and Reed are good examples, though. I was just repeating what I read on ESPN about the Redskins having trouble. And my point was that there weren't impact players WORTHY of the money that goes along with the number 6 pick. I'm not sold on any of those players you mentioned as a 6. Maybe 15-32 range, but not 6. You would not draft Levi Brown with the 6th pick? He would be a hell of an upgrade over Fred Miller. He would make a huge immediate impact. That said, and I don't know if someone mentioned this already, the Redskins are doing 2 things by making this trade. They are guaranteeing they get a all-pro player with their 1st round selection and getting another first rounder at the same time (31st overall). They are also giving up on this year's draft because after the 31st selection they will not pick again until the 5th round.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Mar 28, 2007 -> 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Have to show Ozzie the quote about "one year wonders" in the Tigers' capsule. But one year wonders in what sense? The White Sox were the World Champs and followed up a 99 win season with a 90 win season. The Tigers - only AL Champs. There is a huge difference there. Detroit didn't even win their division last season. Stupid comparison. QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 28, 2007 -> 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He must have mentioned three of four times that the Red Sox have several potential Cy-Young candidates. And who are these 3? The rotation is Schilling ( Cy-Young candidate?), Josh Beckett ( Cy-Young candidate?), Daisuke Matsuzaka( Cy-Young candidate?), Tim Wakefield and Julian Tavarez. Schilling I guess is one, but he is like 41 years old. The train has to eventually stop a rollin'. Josh Beckett, really? He was below average in the American league last year and definitely not someone that should be touted as a Cy-Young candidate. Daisuke Matsuzaka? He is unproven. I don't know what they have in this guy, but to call him a Cy-Young candidate is stating a lot. Then Wakefield and Tavarez - they better hope the other three guys remain injury free and get the job done, because this part of the rotations sucks some major A-S-S. QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Mar 28, 2007 -> 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the cubs ahead of the Sox is just so laughable. They see the names and the amount of money spent and go WAH WAH WEE WAH without even looking at how they will do as a team. That is going to look like the worst money spent in the entire league.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Bears NEED to make that deal. No doubt about it. THey have to swing this deal. What are the chances Joe Thomas falls to 6? Probably not good, but that is who I would want. Move Jon Tait back over to RT and put Miller on the bench as a backup and that is one hell of an O-Line. I would also possibly take Gaines Adams, Levi Brown, Patrick Willis, or Greg Olsen, but Joe Thomas would be the player I would target, unless Calvin Johnson falls that far - YEAH RIGHT!