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QUOTE(bad at best @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Johan Santana is God. And i mentioned 2 other aspects of baserunning besides stealing bases. (getting on; scoring runs). Anything else is not really statistically measurable (getting from 1st to 3rd, etc) I dont mean to be overly argumentative, im just bored in class. You can't measure baserunning in statistics. You watch the games. Like defense. Santana is not the only one to ever do it. He is the first that came to mind. QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Minor league compensation. Like I've said before, I find it hard to believe that Pods/Viz is all the Brewers were willing to give up for Carlos. Again, like I said before, if that's all that the Brewers were willing to give up, and there were no other leadoff option available through trade, then I don't blame KW for making the deal. However, I don't believe that to be the case. Your hatred for Carlos is evident. I get it, but he's ten times the ball player Pods it. And yes, Pods definitely fit into what they were trying to do. No one is arguing that. He is not good at what Pods does best and Pods is not even close to as good at what Carlos does best. That said, Carlos is not the ballplayer you think he is or the one that he is paid to be. He is a solid hitter and that is it.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a little known feature within Soxtalk available to those members with 3,000 or more posts. Only a few more and you can find out for yourself. The statistics don't lie -- I'm just that accurate. I am praying to the baby Jesus right now that he will allow me such an accomplishment. The Christmas version is my favorite. However, I do like it when my Jesus dresses in a tuxedo t-shirt, because it is formal, but it also says I want to party. I like to party so I like my Jesus to party. QUOTE(bad at best @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To my knowledge, McCarthy has been a starter and starter only following t-ball (his whole life). Its really different coming out of the pen; he always struck me as a a guy who gets in a rhythm and becomes untouchable (see end of 05 reg season); i dont think he ever hit that rhythm in the pen last year. As far as Podseniks baserunning; i wasnt impressed. .330 OBP (wasnt on base much to run); caught stealing 33% of the time (aka anytime where we actually needed a stolen base); yes, he scored alot of runs (trotting home from our 3-6) So he is that big of a head case that he can't adjust to bullpen duty? s***, Johan Santana did it for a year or two. That is one sad excuse. Baserunning is not always about stealing bases. That is something we all learn when we actually play baseball.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've agreed with numerous signings and acquistions. It's just typical of people to remember those comments which appear negative in nature. And my track record? 89.23% success rate. Good for 8th overall on Soxtalk. I never said you haven't agreed. I asked if you have. I doubt your track record is even close to 50% let alone 89.23%. I didn't know Soxtalk kept these rankings.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't want to hear it, but its the same reason Vazquez was acquired. They felt Brandon wasn't ready. I'd expect more than someone who also can't play a lick of defense in "FREAKING LEFT FIELD" as well as can't hit. Brandon McCarthy proved he wasn't ready last year unless you buy into the argument that he couldn't adapt well to bullpen duty. That is a crappy argument though. You could expect more all you want, but give an example of what that more is and why you would expect it. Carlos Lee is not as good of a baseball player as you may think. He is a good DH perhaps, but that is about it. He is not at all like a spider monkey and he is never jacked up on Mountain Dew. 2 negatives right there on Carlos Lee. Can't play a lick of defense, but can run the bases and gave the White Sox a valuable speedy leadoff man that they needed, not another right handed station to station base clogger.

Did we receive a better deal than what we gave up to acquire Freddy Garcia to begin with? I mean we acquired a Freddy Garcia that was probably at his prime market value for Mike Morse, Miguel Olivo, and Jeremy Reed.. BWAAHAHAHAHA!!! And people hated that deal when we made it saying that we gave up too much. OH NO! We lost Jeremy Reed and Miguel Olivo!! What are we going to do now?!?!? Now we trade Freddy Garcia at one of the low points of his career when his arm seems to have lost a lot of velocity for whatever reason and we get 2 young pitching prospects in Gavin Floyd and Gio. Now everyone thinks we didn't get enough in return? What did you people expect to get back for pitcher that has pitched a ton of innings the last few years, has lost velocity, and is in the last year of his contract? I don't know what you people expected or wanted in return for this guy. If someone can please tell me that then please dazzle me. I think I will trust the White Sox and their scouts rather than the people that criticize them on this board. For the most part, the critics are wrong. QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> People probably would have liked to have seen the package the Rockies got for Jennings - a good young starter, a fringe MLB pitcher, and a CFer. Floyd and Gio have to cover the front two in some form, and some (me included) may consider Floyd slightly more than a fringe MLB pitcher. Perhaps not this year, but his upside is higher than Buccholz. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Gillick was ready and willing to give Rowand back to the Sox, and KW turned it down simply because it would have cut a ton into the Sox budget. I'm not exactly sure who else is in the Phillies system that the Sox could have used, but mainly the fans just wanted some other piece thrown in, even if said piece didn't make it to AA. Isn't Jason Jennings younger, cheaper, and better than Freddy Garcia? I think the answer is yes to all 3 of those questions. I will wait and see if those players the Astros gave up for Jennings turn out to be as good as Floyd and Gio. I really don't think the pitchers will and I really don't want Taveras on the White Sox. I don't think he is very good at all. QUOTE(bad at best @ Feb 14, 2007 -> 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Any way you cut it, the Garcia trade was a salery dump. We were trying to get cheap young talent; i think we could have gotten more. How so and in what way? You can say we did not want to sign him for more than just this season, but is that a salary dump? A salary dump to me is when you have a guy with a few more years left with a salary you just don't want to pay any longer. Carlos Lee was a salary dump and a great move at that. That is not the case here. He is only making 9 million this year. That is one hell of a deal for a pitcher of his caliber.We were definitely trying to get young, cheap talent, but isn't that what every GM is looking for? I don't see that as a bad thing at all. What did you expect to get in return for a pitcher that has shown a decline, has lost velocity, and is in the last year of his contract? Please tell me. If you are going to disagree with something why don't you have an opinion on what they should have done or what they should have received in return and why. I honestly don't see it. QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 13, 2007 -> 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm never giving anyone benefit of doubt for anything. If Williams made a move one day after the World Series which I disliked, I would have criticized him if I felt it were necessary. Maybe it's my mindset, but I can't blindly sit back and tell myself that. What have you agreed with in the past that KW has done? Have you agreed or thought much of any of his deals or signings? What is your track record in agreeing or disagreeing with KW and his scouts? How did that turn out for you? I have a feeling you are more wrong than right when it comes to what moves the Sox should or shouldn't have made. QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 13, 2007 -> 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Value wise, I personally rate it the worst out of the major deals KW has made. I struggle to believe that the going rate for a .300-30-100-10 guy with 2 yrs left on his contract at an affordable price was a one tool LF and a 6/7th inning guy? I find it very very hard to believe that's all we could have gotten for Carlos. I love how it all turned out (AJ/Gooch). Overall, we definitely were better for making such a deal, but we did not get fair compensation for Carlos, imo. I think the salary savings and personal problems Ozzie and KW had with Carlos affected the "need" to get Carlos off the team a bit much. Then what do you expect to get in return for a .300-30-100-10 guy who is also one of the dumbest baseball players around, has no heart, can't play a lick of defense in FREAKING LEFT FIELD, and has issues running the bases? How many more times would I have had to see him kill a rally by getting picked off. Freaking moron of a baseball player = Carlos Lee. But he sure can hit. I will give him that.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You should change your nick to Southside"American from Chicago"ofIrishAncestry. So our nicknames should be literal? If so, you should change your nick to MyFaceLooksLikeMyArse. I'm just sayin', I'm not sayin'.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He was here first, but as Mike and a few others know I have had this tag for a long time on ESPN and other sites pre 2000. The easiest way to keep it straight. < Born in Ireland. Real Irish. < Born on the southside of Chicago to parents that were born in Ireland. Real SOUTHSIDEIRISH.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know whether he should have been a sandwich pick, but if he declared his interest in baseball I would have figured him to be off the board by the time the sandwich picks were done. He's still pretty raw, but he has the tools and his value (as a prospect) is higher because of what he did as a WR (it probably shouldn't be, but it is). If I graded him out, solely as a pitcher, no, I am not sure I'd have taken him in the sandwich round, but I bet a few teams would have considered it (based soley on his fastball). I can guarantee you the Cubs have protections in that contract that say if he plays football he has to give back a large chunk. That said any smart NFL team (if they talk to Jeff) should take a chance on the guy in the 2nd day of the draft. Just the possibility of getting 1st round talent in the 2nd day should make it worth while. I think it also gives him the right to pick and choose where he would like to play and not look like an total jerk by doing it - ala Eli Manning. Like Bo Jackson did when he came out of Auburn. He didn't want to play for TB so he signed with Kansas City to play baseball. Then Oakland traded for him? If a team drafts him that he would like to play for, then great. If he doesn't like the NFL situation then he stays in baseball. He is no a no lose situation. In my opinion I think the Cubs made a stupid move.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very true. I'm just saying I think he'll be back trying out for an NFL team in a couple years. I totally agree. He is 6'5" and has great hands. He will be drafted by an NFL team this year in the late rounds. He will get tryouts. He will be trying out for an NFL team next year or the following with 8 million bucks from teh Cubs in his pocket.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> His frame is big enough to support his velocity. He is not a stick geeking up to throw hard is what I was talking about. "He's got the things you look for in a pitcher," said one American League scout of the 6-foot-5 Samardzija. "He just hasn't had a lot of the innings other pitchers have had because he's been playing football. He obviously doesn't spend a lot of time in the summer playing baseball. As a team, you just have to be prepared to sit down with him now and see what he wants to do and be prepared in case he doesn't like baseball. "He has what you're looking for in terms of arm and body type, and he's got a good frame. But if he's determined to play football, he's determined. This is why a lot of teams didnt draft him. The cubs gambled on him in the 2nd round threw money at him and got him to commit to basebal. If other teams knew that he would give up football, there would of been a lot more interest. First you said he throws in the upper 90's, which it totally false. The Cubs did not have a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round selection. They took him in the 5th round. Baseball America states that "the Cubs believe he'll have a consistent mid-90s fastball and an above-average slider if he commits to baseball full-time." They believe he WILL. He doesn't even have that yet. He is 22 years old. Come on. This is a name signing to draw interest at their Cubbie Convention. That is all this is. Something to get the fans all hot and bothered at the convention. QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A low to mid 90s fastball is about his only pitch and he has no stamina at all to start. He'll be lucky to get to AAA. agreed He will have 8 mil in his pocket and in 2 years he will go play in the NFL.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> More importantly factor in that the Cubs pretty much had no draft picks till the 5th round and they basically took all the money they would have given a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th round pick to a guy who slid a couple rounds because many questioned whether he would play baseball. Yes, he's getting more than he should, but at the same time by spending a bit more the Cubs are getting a potential sandwich pick (I personally think thats as high as he would have went) out of a 5th round pick. You really think he has the potential of a sandwich pick? I just don't see it.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The guy throws in the upper 90s and has a big enough frame to project that this will continue. That is why he was worth that money to them. That and the media factor, signing a Notre Dame prospect is always an easy way to get into the papers. He throws in the upper 90s and has never averaged close to a strikeout an inning? I find that hard to believe. Not a K an innning in college or lower A ball? Come on! He doesn't throw in the upper 90s. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The guy throws in the upper 90s and has a big enough frame to project that this will continue. That is why he was worth that money to them. That and the media factor, signing a Notre Dame prospect is always an easy way to get into the papers. His frame should be pretty much filled out being 22 and playing football at a NFL type setting like Notre Dame. Give me a break. Mid 90's fastball and an above average slider. That is the best I could find on him. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...ews/263149.html Though Samardzija remains raw on the mound, the Cubs believe he'll have a consistent mid-90s fastball and an above-average slider if he commits to baseball full-time. He made seven starts this summer between short-season Boise and low Class A Peoria, going 1-2, 2.70 with 17 strikeouts in 30 innings.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 19, 2007 -> 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2736354 17 Ks in 30 innings in single A ball does not sound like a 8 million gauranteed prospect to me. It sounds like the Cubs overpaid for an average prospect. Doesn't it?

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QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ripken was a very good defensive shortstop for a long time and is generally recognized as the first power-hitting SS. He also has a ring and the record for consecutive games played. McGwire hit a ton of HRs, but had a low BA and by playing 1B, wasn't much of a defensive asset to his teams. McGwire was not bad at 1B defensively, and some considered him a pretty good defensive 1B. Just because he played first base does not mean he was not an asset defensively. He also had a very high OBP. Ripken's BA is no great shakes either and his home run total is not even close to McGwire's. McGwire played in half the time that Ripken did (both in years and games played), yet he put up as good or better numbers than Ripken. The consecutive games streak is bull and meaningless to me. I would say he hurt his team as much as he helped them by playing tired and hurt through a lot of that streak. He should have rested a bit more for his team.

QUOTE(toasty @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ripken could very well deserve a unanimous election, seeing as his consecutive games record Big deal. He hurt his team just as much as he helped them with that ridiculous record. He should have taken some days off and been a bit more healthy instead of caring so much about that record. It is ridiculous that he belongs in the hall for that record alone. Ridiculous. QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm stealing this idea from ATH, but it's pretty damn solid: Jose Canseco's not considered a HOFer, what makes Mark McGwire one? Other than HRs, McGwire only has 7 more RBIs and more walks. Canseco's better in just about every category. Canseco's average is only .003 points higher, he has 120 less HRs, and his OBP is 40 points lower. Plus he played in a bit more games than McGwire did with a few more ABs. The comparison is not as close as you make it seem.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 9, 2007 -> 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sorry, but Ripken and Gwynn are two of the most deserving HOFers ever. What makes Ripken so deserving? His .276 career batting average or his 436 career home runs in only 3001 games played (11,551 ABs)? Mark McGwire had a .263 average, .394 OBP, and 583 HRs in 1874 games played (6187) ABs. You sure he wasn't making more of a point that Mark McGwire (who is not going to get voted in) is just as much a hall of famer as Ripken? McGwire is just as deserving as Ripken, if not more so.

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QUOTE(iamshack @ Jan 2, 2007 -> 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> According to Steve Phillips, Minyana offered Milledge for Harden. Beane then countered with Blanton. Minyana turned that down. If he rejected Blanton for Milledge, there is absolutely no way we are getting Pelfrey and Milledge, or Pelfrey and Gomez. It's too bad, but I don't think we're going to see a White Sox/Mets deal... So be it. I think the Mets need Buehrle more this year than the Sox need Pelfrey and Milledge. The White Sox have what they need, it is up to them to make a logical offer. If not, then it is their loss and the Sox will move on.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 29, 2006 -> 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would love to see the Sox get Lastings and Humber for Buehrle. I don't want Humber at all. I wan Pelfrey and Milledge. I could even like a deal involving Gomez instead of Milledge, however, I definitely want Pelfrey and NOT Humber.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 29, 2006 -> 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why is Tampa looking to move Rocco? Because they have an abundance of good young outfielders. Why would they want Anderson? Would you trade Garcia for Rocco? They might go for Floyd/Gio. I think it will be Floyd and another decent young pitcher, maybe Broadway. That is a great point. Why would they want Brian Anderson back in a trade? That is what Levine reported, but that doesn't make sense at all. 2 young pitching prospects should get it done. Floyd and Broadway for Baldelli.

I would definitely trade Brian Anderson, Broadway, and Floyd for Rocco Baldelli. Then trade Buehrle or Vazquez, I don't care which one, for Pelfrey and Milledge. WA WA WEE WA!!! VERY NICE!

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> One unproven rookie who has never had major league success. We went from 6 legitimate, quality major league SP's in 2006 to 4 in 2007. So, we have a big hole in one rotation spot and no depth. What if a SP goes on the DL (not exactly a remote possibility)? Then our rotation and our team is in serious sh*t. So we have a "big hole" at the 5th and 6th SP spot hey? Doesn't sound too drastic to me. Not to mention we just got 4 potentially better SPs than McCarthy has the potential to be, plus Haeger seems as good as a 5th starter as McCarthy could have been and possibly better. With 3 trades KW has give the White Sox potentially the best young pitching staff in all of baseball and a ton of lefties. Look at this young pitching now? Floyd, Gio Gonzo, Danks, Masset, Sisco to go wtih youngsters Broadway, Haeger and even Garland. That is a ton of pitching. That is a hell of a job by KW and I can see us having enough to give up to get Carl Crawford and still keeping enough around for our own staff to use. Could this be what this trading is potentially about? Getting Carl Crawford?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 21, 2006 -> 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Several years ago the Bulls were extremely popular, and I think they are bringing back that to second place. Basketball has never and will never be as big as either baseball or football in this town. Even when the Bulls were winning championships this town wasn't a basketball town. It wasn't even ahead of baseball at that time. However, it may have been a Jordan town. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 22, 2006 -> 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1985 parade: 500 k (well actually, it was in 1986, but whatever) 2005 parade (for the "inferior" team in town): 2 million Baseball wins, and it's not as close as many think. The Bears draw the "common" (idiot) fan pretty well, but baseball is king here. This is a ridiculous comparison. Zoom put it best.