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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> BMAC in the rotation +wilkerson>Vaz McCarthy in the rotation, then who is in the pen to take his place? Where does Wilkerson fit? He is not better than Pods at Pods' worst. It just doesn't add up. It especially doesn't add up to BMAC in the rotation +wilkerson>Vaz when there is not a bullpen replacement and you have no place for Wilkerson.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What would you give for pitchers that have ERA's over 4.50 and nearly 10 mil a year? WIth Buehrle's and Garcia's not too far in the past success, I would think more than Coco Crisp and Brad Wilkerson. Buehrle was very good as lately as earlier this year. Garcia has been pretty good lately. Their velocity is down, but Wilkerson and Crisp for these kinds of starters? I would think you should get better than that. QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wilk for Vaz. Done a .250 hitter career hitter. A .235 hitter this year? Who does nothing very good? How is he better than what we already have? I don't get it.

Coco Crisp offered for Mark Buehrle and Brad WIlkerson offered for one of our starters? What is up with that? Aren't starting pitchers at a premium? Shouldn't we be getting better offers than this? I just find this ridiculous.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Another Cooper project! Lidge 2006 Salary: $3,975,000 Age: 29 ERA 5.77 WHIP 1.45 BAA .241 Vazquez 2006 Salary: $12,000,000 Age: 30 ERA 5.40 WHIP 1.36 BAA .275 We save some money as well. It would be nice. However, Houston asked Texas for Carlos Lee today when talking trade for Lidge. That is a pretty steep asking price.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It just makes sense for us. Trade Vaz+ someone else, pick up Lidge, put BMAC into rotation. spiff, Vaz should be enough to get him. They are about equals. The only difference is Vaz can pitch 4 innings. Lidge can't make it out of one. Maybe Coop can straighten him out if he is physically healthy.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_r...sp&c_id=cin

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Via BTF http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools He would be an excellent fit for the Sox and their leadoff struggles. I would do whatever I could to get this guy. QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well I think even the Yanks have limits. Let's break it down here; Sheff's making $13M this season. Can't see them picking up his $13M option for next season at this stage. Now when the M's signed Ichiro this is what they had to give up; He was signed to a 3 year $15M deal, AFTER the M's won the right to negotiate with him with a $13.125M bid. So that's about $17M - $18M just for that 1st season that they gave up to get him. But that was 6 years ago. And this season's FA class isn't meant to be a great one. And Matsuzuka is younger than Ichiro was, so all in all he'll probably cost more. Teams could pay $20M or over just for the right to negotiate with him. He'll probably get around a 4 year $50M deal I would imagine. And then you have Zito. He's a Cy Young Winner, doesn't get hurt, and he's right in his prime. He could get 5 years $75M quite easily. So Gourriel's pretty much a luxury for them. They've got Robinson Cano at 2nd base, A-Rod at 3rd, so it's not like they need a huge upgrade there. Remember that Kendry Morales got a 6 year deal that was worth potentially up to $19M IIRC. I'd expect Gourriel to get probably more than that considering his WBC performabce. Yeah hopefully with our Latino friendly clubhouse, and after what Contreras and Iguchi have done here, players from Cuba, Latin America and Japan would have the White Sox on the top of their list for teams that they would like to play for in the MLB. I would have no problem giving this guy a 4 for 50 million dollar deal. NO PROBLEM AT ALL! I say sign em up and get him ready now. He would be an even better acquisition than Soriano.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So, what exactly will they be doing with Bell/Koskie? Do they just want a new draft pick for letting Bell walk? Isn't Koskie out for the year?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2006 -> 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> DETROIT -- The Detroit Tigers acquired first baseman Sean Casey from the Pittsburgh Pirates on Monday in exchange for minor-league pitcher Brian Rogers. Casey, a career .304 hitter, gives the AL Central-leading Tigers the left-handed-hitting presence they have lacked as they head toward a playoff berth. Casey hit .296 (63-for-213) with 15 doubles, three home runs and 29 RBI in 59 games this season with Pittsburgh. Rogers, 24, went 3-2 with one save and a 2.39 ERA in 37 relief appearances this season with Double-A Erie of the Eastern League. He was Detroit's 11th round selection in the 2003 draft from Georgia Southern University. To make room for Casey, Detroit optioned the contract of first baseman Chris Shelton to Triple-A Toledo. Shelton hit 10 home runs in the month of April -- nine in the first 13 games -- but has hit only six since. He is batting .277 with 16 homers and 45 RBI in 103 games this season. Sean CASEY, not Sean TRACEY. I don't know how this helps them so much. I know Shelton was slumping, but Casey has not been doing much the past couple years either.

QUOTE(GoRowand33 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> great now once Javy loses it after 5 innings of dominance all we have is a tired bullpen to back him up he should have let Bmac tough it out a bit longer or something I mean the win was great today, but now were in a rough spot for tomorrow What was the other option? If you are going to question a move, then give an alternative. I honestly didn't see one.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Buster Olney did not say it was a starting pitcher, for all we know they called about Cotts, Thornton, MacDougal, Jenks or McCarthy. It is being reported as a "starting pitcher". From ESPN Insider:

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If Fields is still with the team past the trade deadline, he should start learning how to play LF immediately. In terms of getting a leadoff hitter, the only other place I could see where you could get an addition in our lineup would be at SS. I've suggested the names of Furcal and Rollins, but their contracts aren't too friendly at all. I figure he's got more trade value as a 3rd baseman than as a LF. Fields' value is at a peak right now. There was a thread yesterday where it said his last month at Charlotte hasn't been great. If you get an offer like Linebrink and Carillo for Fields, I would take it. I agree with you. He will go out and get that SS to be our leadoff hitter. You can tell who KW likes and he usually gets the players he likes. He has liked one SS for a while. That SS being Cesar Izturis from LA. I would bet money that Pods is let go and Fields/Sweeney is moved into LF and into Uribe's spot in the lineup while we pick up Cesar Izturis and move him into Pods' spot in the lineup. That is what I see happening, but I may be wrong. QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where'd you hear this, because it would be music to all of us here if that was indeed the case. This was posted on here a while ago with a link to the story. I can't remember where.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good info, but I wouldn't say calling Prior's injury problems is any special. Only 3 more days, this is going to get interesting. If he called them today, no they wouldn't be. But he called them when no one really knew what was going on with him and the Cubs were keeping everything secretive while telling everyone he would be fine and back for spring training. I think him calling Prior's injury problems was pretty damn impressive.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wOW. Milwaukee did AWESOME in that deal. It really makes me hope we do stay out of the Soriano deal. Texas also got Nelson Cruz though, which is a pretty good deal. From CBS Sportsline: I don't know if this makes Cruz and Lee = Nix, Mench, and Cordero though.

Holy smokes! They gave up a bunch! Kevin Mench, Francisco Cordero, and Laynce Nix!!!!! WOW!!!!

QUOTE(Soxman72 @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Carlos Lee traded to Rangers per ESPNEWS For what? This should put the correct value on Soriano. This is great news because this means the Twins did not get him. GREAT!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Kenny Williams has done a heck of a job of scaring Detroit if nothing else... That is if what ChiSox9 is reporting is true. However, it is not. He did not say "Detroit is willing to include Humberto Sanchez". ChiSox9 is rephrasing it the way he wants to. Olney said "may be leaning towards including Humberto Sanchez". That seems like a big difference to me.

QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Olney reported this morning the the Tigers would be willing to give up right handed pitching prospect Humberto Sanchez for the deal for Soriano. I believe this is the player the nationals were holding out for to complete the deal. He did not say this at all. I was listening to it as well on Salisbury and Rosenbloom. He said exactly the same thing that Stark wrote on his insider report. He said "may be leaning in the direction of including Humberto Sanchez". That is far different than saying Detroit is willing to include Humbert Sanchez in the deal. Plus Olney also brought up the point that he missed his last start with a bad elbow.

QUOTE(TarHeels2 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stark is saying that Detroit is willing to throw in Sanchez for a deal with Soriano. In my mind, if KW really wants to make a deal this deadline then he has to give FIelds up. If Soriano is still a Nat by Sunday then go out and get him. Are you referring to this: It doesn't say that they are willing, it states that they are leaning toward inlcuding him. Not exactly the same thing.

Has this been posted already? If so, then I am sorry, but I just found it pretty interesting Given all the speculation of Kenny Williams's next move to fix his stumbling White Sox, I thought it would be useful to pull together a history of all the trades he's made since 2001. Download chicago_white_sox_williams.xls to take a look at that in an Excel file. As far as Kenny's July tendencies, he's made such acquisitions as Roberto Alomar, Carl Everett, Scott Schoeneweis, Carl Everett again, and Jose Contreras in the past. But Williams's signature trades have come in the winter: David Wells, Todd Ritchie, Billy Koch, Bartolo Colon, Juan Uribe, Scott Podsednik, Jim Thome, and Javier Vazquez. The exception, and Williams's biggest summertime trade, was his acquisition of Freddy Garcia in late June of 2004. The Sox smartly made this trade with three full months left in the season. Williams surrendered highly touted outfield prospect Jeremy Reed in the deal, and he certainly got the best of Bill Bavasi so far. Ditto for his other swap with Bavasi - Joe Borchard for Matt Thornton. Williams doesn't really have any favorite GM buddies to lean on for trades; his 38 deals since '01 are spread out among many. Jim Bowden is in the lead with three trades, but all were minor (Anthony Sanders, Scott Dunn/D'Angelo Jimenez, Jerry Owens/Alex Escobar). Among current GMs, Williams has a history with Bowden, Bavasi, Brian Sabean, Dave Littlefield, Bill Stoneman, Kevin Towers, Billy Beane, Josh Byrnes, Brian Cashman, Omar Minaya, Dan O'Dowd, Ned Coletti, Theo Epstein, Pat Gillick, Doug Melvin, and Dayton Moore. He's definitely shown a tendency to trade with newly anointed general managers like Moore and Gillick, among others.

QUOTE(dyenamite23 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i dont think freel is going anywhere unless we give up a real good pitcher like bmac which i will not do Really? For Ryan Freel? WOW!

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know but what would it take to get Liriano, Pujols, and Papelbon? Are you comparing Liriano, Pujols, and Papelbon to Crawford, Roberts, and Freel? WOW! OK. Maybe Crawford belongs in that group, but come on. I didn't know we were hurting at closer and 1b, but I would love to get Liriano. Plus all of those teams are pretty damn good. It only took the Twins AJ Pierzynski to get Nathan, Liriano, Bonser. So maybe that is all it takes. Anyway, I don't think I am asking a really outrageous question like you are making it out to be. Tampa is said to be listening to offers for Crawford. Baltimore needs pitching and is no where near the playoffs. Cincy (are they still leading the wild card race?) is good, but they have a lot of holes and are always looking for pitching.

Here is another name that I would just like to throw out there, that can also play LF. 22 SBs, high OBP. What would it take to get Ryan Freel from Cincy? Any thoughts?

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From what I have read, Bowden is holding out for a stud prospect right now and just isn't getting it. He will eventually get it, IMO, it just depends on who flinches first come Saturday/Sunday. Really? He will? For a 2 month rental? Jayson Stark was on ESPN radio with Mike and Mike this morning and he explained why Bowden is not getting what he is asking for and why he probably wont get it because Soriano is really only a 2 month rental player. There is no assurance any team will be able to re-sign him. I believe you are wrong and Bowden will not get that premier prospect that he wants so badly.

QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First off, I am rather new to posting so bare with me. ESPN insider just made comment that the next 24 hours are critical for the Brewers in becoming a buyer or a seller. In the event of being a seller, Carlos Lee will be considered for a potential trade. With that in mind, 2 corner OF will be on the market which could reduce Soriano's trade value. Question: Could KW be waiting to see if CLee goes on the trade market to lessen the value of Soriano forcing WASH into reducing value favoring the Sox??? Would it really bring down Soriano's value? They are pretty much two completely different players.