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QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) Bill can be both accurate in what he was saying and really dumb to have said it. The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't believe his statements were dumb and I think he is not afraid to state that he thinks what they did was worth it and right. Why should I have any issue with him making that type of statement and being strong about it. It was rooted in his devote feelings and belief to something he thinks was an accomplishment, not a real issue, and he went at them point on. It is a reason a lot of people liked Bill when he was president (he was a pretty open shooter and wasn't afraid for speaking his mind from time to time). This isn't Trump being a blowhard speaking his mind, this is speaking your mind about something you feel strongly about and I am sure he can articulate the various facts for why he still believes it was the right thing. All that said, I don't know that Hillary would have wanted Bill to do this (as it really isn't a major issue in her campaign as she is generating 80%+ in the African american vote despite the concern from the black lives matter movement).

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) "If you're against my bill that's helped expand mass incarceration of non-violent criminals, you support giving crack to 13 year olds and having them commit a murder!" --a good, coherent response to protesters. Go back and look at the violent crime statistics before and after that bill was passed. You can say there were some issues, but the statistics would say that it did plenty good in terms of reducing violent crime stats.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Yes, Jerry Reinsdorf. Gar wanted Lawrence Frank. Pax wanted Doug Collins and Gar wanted Brown / Frank. http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/john-pa...ibodeau-report/

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) I know everyone wants to blast them for the Thibs debable, but let's not forget who gave him his first head coaching job when no one else would. Jerry Reinsdorf. IIRC, the candidates Gar wanted were Mike Brown and someone else whose a pretty failed head coach. Pax had other preferences as well and JR pushed Thibs.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 11:12 AM) gtfo I didn't say he was a master roster creator or a great GM. I think he's a lousy GM. We could all get pissed about not drafting Draymond Greene but in general, I think we have drafted pretty well under Gar & Pax. Basically put, it isn't bad drafting for why we are in the position we are in. It is bad roster creation and a complete inability to work with others and just in general be a prick. He has an inability to make trades and roll the dice with guys and truly create a great team (albeit injuries early can absolve him a bit, his recent stubbornness can not be ignored).

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 11:12 AM) own my own business . Got my deputy coming in to take over. Took me a long ass time to get to the point where I could afford to take somewhat of a step back once and awhile. Been at it for 5 years now. What kind of business? If you don't mind me asking?

QUOTE (LDF @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) when i reading up on hinkie, i was reminded so much on gar forman. while catching up on gar, i forgot he was an asst to floyd. that should have meant something at the time and no-one caught it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar_Forman but the question i wanted to ask, is hinkie any better than gar??? i just don't know enuf of this to come up with an answer. Gar is an ass, but I do think he has a pretty good eye for talent. He might not be perfect, but every guy will miss from time to time and while we can point to some of the Bulls misses, they have historically been one of the better drafting teams under Pax / Gar, especially when you consider where they were typically picking. Gar has plenty of issues, but I think from a pure talent evaluation perspective, I like him over Hinkie. Supposedly Hinkie has trouble working with people (not sure how much is true vs. Jerry Collangelo driving that wedge) and I think like Gar, both are best suited in a more assistant capacity than a true GM. Hinkie would great to have in Chicago (but not as a GM). Would love his analytical mind as I think it is a valuable resource that would go great with a GM who appreciates the analytics but also has an adapt eye for talent and a strong ability to work with others. Honestly, I really wonder if we see Hoiberg move to the front office. Would be curious if he'd do it. Or whether Doug Collins would still be willing to take an assistant role to help Hoiberg? Either way, I really hope we see at least some sort of shakeup in the front office (it is imperative, imo).

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) Uribe's totally going deep today, it's inevitable. Hopefully the Sox are up 8 runs when it happens. PROFUNDO! It is okay, Uribe is going to be this years Geoff Blum. We'll pick him up and he'll hit a HR for the Sox that matters in the end!

I hope he will be okay. I really like Schwarber and wish he could be on the Sox. Would freaking love having a bat like that penciled into our lineup for the next 6+ years.

Jim...since I blasted you earlier on your F150 comment, I should point out, I absolutely love how trucks ride. Albeit, if money was no matter, I'd go with the Tundra, but F150's are really nice vehicles, imo. I prefer the more truck riding SUV's as well to the car based versions, but that is more because I like sitting higher, etc.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 09:20 AM) I would never buy a honda SUV ever again, the 4WD is crap IMO and the build quality was s***ty. My wife's cherokee is 200% better than her CRV I have the exact opposite impression. My Pilot has 175,000 miles and outside of getting rear ended a few months back which is what made us relegate it to basically just 3rd car that is a junker, it is the only issue we had. I've known multiple people with Jeeps and I don't know one person who kept one for any extended time who didn't have issues and that included major issues. Even my dad, who loves his Limited, Diesel Jeep (1.5 years old now with about 40K miles), has had quite a few issues (he still loves it) but it is stuff I would have been annoyed about if I owned the car (by the way, my fear with owning my Hyundai is these same sorts of build quality issues which usually you never identify until you own a car for at least a few years). I will say Jeeps drive very nice and are really really beautiful cars. If you are doing real 4x4 I would also agree...I wouldn't buy a Honda if I needed legit offroading (just not at all in there wheel house). Jeeps off-road functionality is second to none when it comes to that....and if i was going luxury, I'd go with Audi AWD or Volvo's SUV with All wheeler drive. That new Volvo SUV is absolutely amazing (If I wasn't such a tight wad, I'd look at it as our eventual replacement for our highlander).

Just win baby...just win!!!

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) They first brought in Jerry and now they are bringing in Bryan. All of this has been executed by Jerry and I believe that is who Ninetrain was referencing. he was initially brought in as a consultant and he has taken a much stronger role and strong voice and pushed Hinkie out. I don't disagree with Hinkie's overall philosophy to maximize picks, etc, but who they drafted left plenty to be desired and didn't fit from a roster construction perspective and I haven't seen him make subsequent trades to make it work either. It is one thing to get the picks and come up with the strategy, but you still have to actually make good picks. And Bryan has a history of being a pretty good talent evaluator. Good track record from Phoenix to Toronto. Bottom line, if you told me Jerry was going to bring in the Colangelos, I would be extremely happy. They are extremely well respected in this league. Honestly, if things went sour sooner, I wouldn't have been surprised if Jerry considered the Colangelo's (I believe Jerry & Jerry are relatively good friends), but it might have been too many egos for JR.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) They are bringing in Bryan to be GM, not Jerry. Jerry is president of Basketball ops. Nepotism And I disagree that Hinkie drafted BPA with Embiid. his injury issues weren't a secret and everything people said has come home to roost They first brought in Jerry and now they are bringing in Bryan. All of this has been executed by Jerry and I believe that is who Ninetrain was referencing. he was initially brought in as a consultant and he has taken a much stronger role and strong voice and pushed Hinkie out. I don't disagree with Hinkie's overall philosophy to maximize picks, etc, but who they drafted left plenty to be desired and didn't fit from a roster construction perspective and I haven't seen him make subsequent trades to make it work either. It is one thing to get the picks and come up with the strategy, but you still have to actually make good picks. And Bryan has a history of being a pretty good talent evaluator. Good track record from Phoenix to Toronto.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) AFter trashing Gabriel, I now want to link to this very good article by him http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/04/07/gab...-a-draft-board/ Very good read. It is interesting that teams don't have guys on the board who maybe get varying grades (as in, we'll take him in this round, but not another round). I presume there must be some flexiblity to the extent the move down or I supose those guys are just on the board because they like them enough to draft, they just get rated lower on the list.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Apr 7, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) Thing is, while I agree that talent from the 1st to the 2nd isn't that large, by taking a QB first round you're not just pushing back needs from round 1 to round 2, you're also pushing everything else back a round as well. I'm all aboard drafting a QB in the first 4 rounds, but would prefer it to be in said 4th round. I think QB is the most valuable position in football and I think as an organization, you should leverage it and use the pick. I don't see any pick filling some major glaring need that gets us to a superbowl, but I do see a QB who is worthy of being a first round pick and who can be a difference maker (note I'm not saying he will be, but he can be) on the board at 11...I'm going with it. As an org, if I ran it, I'd probably end up drafting more QB's than other teams because it is such a key position and can be such a valuable asset. We need depth anyway behind Jay and know he's going to be gone sometime in the next 2-4 years. We are picking early and there aren't a ton of impact direct fits on our roster and we are getting essentially a 2nd first round pick thanks to White's return (plus had tons of money to leverage in FA, etc)....now is the absolute perfect time to draft a QB. I don't want to have Jay out and than be sitting there going, we absolutely need to take a QB when the right fit isn't there. Lets take one now and our whole franchise isn't mortgaged to Lynch. He could bust like everyone else, but if he busted and we saw crap out of him the first year or two while he sat behind Jay, we'd know it and wouldn't necessarily have set ourselves back by multiple years of sucking with a horrible starter, we'd have lost a 1st round pick sure, but we could still recoup and be patient and find someone else without putting all your trust immediately in a young QB. If the Pats or Packers could take a QB pretty early despite having an all time great around, I don't see why we couldn't. Some people are comparing this guy to a more athlete Phillip Rivers. Sign me up. If you don't have good QB play in this league, you are going to have a hard time consistently winning. Sure you could build an all time great defense, but that takes tons of parts and is pretty hard to do (I'd argue harder to do than good QB play).

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 09:46 AM) He actually was doing the right thing. The thing is, he felt he never had to make his intentions transparent to the fan base or the league. He drafted BPA every year in the draft. Waited for Embiid to come back, and is looking to consolidate to get some wings there. Once you've done that, you can now start trying to make the playoffs and attract FAs. I think Colangelo was absolutely the wrong person to hire. The guy simply wanted to be a GM and used this opportunity to push Hinkie out and insert himself in. He went from consultant to biggest voice in the room within months. I'll say this much, I'd have been thrilled if the Bulls brought in Jerry. He's got a good track record for running strong organizations. I've actually sat next to him at a restaurant before, seemed like a super nice guy based upon me and my dad eavesdropping on his whole conversation (he was telling stories about managers he had fired with the Dbacks, different moves with the Suns). Super interesting stuff, hence why we couldn't not listen. He even apologized to us for being so loud and we said, no please take louder, this is great, haha.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Apr 8, 2016 -> 07:38 AM) I've always liked Southside by Moby as the soundtrack for my White Sox. I remember ESPN playing it during the World Series run. I played Thunderstruck and Lets go go go go white sox prior to every single playoff game during that run. Me, superstitious, nah. I'm still waiting for my freaking world series ring...we all know none of that happens without me creating the Rally Crede!!!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 7, 2016 -> 11:53 PM) Bill Clinton was awesome today handling these rude protestors. http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/07/politics/bil...ters/index.html I don't know how I can like Bill so much and totally despise his wife so much, but that's where I stand. You tell em Mr. Clinton!!! I actually agree with you. I really enjoyed his sound clip. Made me forget how if he were running I'd be voting for him right now.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ Apr 7, 2016 -> 10:34 AM) Man, sounds great. How much does the hybrid cost? A little less than 25K after the various discounts (MSRP was ~31K), etc (if you look earlier in this thread I have a detailed post about it). Difference between it and the hybrid (both after discounts) was pretty minimal (just over 1K). Mine is a limited version but doesn't have all the bells and whistles like Navi. One thing to warn you all, based upon what I read researching the vehicle prior to purchasing, hybrids tend to perform better in mild to warm temperatures and aren't quite as fuel efficient in lower temperatures (say chicago winters). I think Matt has/had a hybrid Escape (not sure if he still does) so he might be able to comment whether he saw better mileage in winter vs. summer (and for all I know maybe gas engines have this same issue). Not an issue where I live (in fact I get pretty ideal conditions, hence why my mileage, which is mainly stop & go / city type driving, is a bit above what the average on the sticker would indicate).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2016 -> 07:44 PM) I have driven my FIL's F150 and I absolutely hated it. It is like driving a tank. It loud and bulky, and not user friendly. [green]Just like Tex [/green]

I'm going to throw it out here now. Bears will draft Paxton Lynch @ 11 and will let him develop. Coincidence or not, Big Ben was the 3rd QB taken in the draft and was selected 11th overall by the Steelers. Outside of QB, RB, and potentially CB, I don't really see a huge talent gap between who we'd get at 11 and who we'd get in the 2nd. Most of the dlinemen have potential issues and there isn't a standout pass rusher available either. I think Elliot, as much as I don't value taking backs early, would be a good pick and think highly of Hargraves, who might actually be there. That said, I think we go QB and Lynch is the perfect guy to groom for two years.

Great opening series...about as good as I can remember. Love it. Don't stop now boys!!!

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 7, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) I think the 9th showed some pretty clutch hits. BUt yes. This is why I wanted to prioritize power over OBP. We weren't going to be great at OBP anyway, may as well make it easier to score through more doubles/HRs. Because we had like 8 hits in the ninth to score 4 runs. Well I think you need a bit of both. A team full of Adam Dunn's is going to be pretty s***ty (and that team would have power and OBP). Bottom line, when power isn't there, you still have to be able to score and execute but you can't have 126 home run power either (unless you are elite everywhere else). It isn't as if the Royals / Giants in recent years were power laden teams so it isn't a pre-requisite. I have always said when it comes to offensive stats, I prefer average and OBP to almost everything else (to the dismay of staty's) but hits generate runs more than anything. It is nice to have the fall back option of big homers but you need well rounded teams that can do both. Last years team had no power, no obp, and no average. It was the pits. Oh and s***ty defense to boot. This years isn't extremely better but it is improved in all categories (with potential exception to pitching...we'll see longer term there, but as long as pitching is close to last years, if we get improvements elsewhere, it could be enough and put us in position where a nice June / July move can help put this team over the top a bit). Just keep winning and playing well!!!

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 7, 2016 -> 03:36 PM) agree, even when they aren't getting hits they are at least putting together good at bats. Last year, I felt like there were so many wasted / half-assed at bats. It seems cliche, but you look at the better hitters in the league and it is amazing what they can grind out of an at bat and I feel to some extent that is contagious. You see other people keep that edge and fight and you want to do it too. Especially in this modern era where you in general have more people willing to k and give up at bats / not adjust approach to try and battle out (thus lower potential percentages of effectiveness, imo).