Chisoxfn

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 01:27 PM) Now you are talking, and I've had the same thought. Not sure whether Westbrook would be interested or not, clearly he'd be an outstanding get (and obviously this means you dump Rose). I'm hoping Rose just goes nuts in the 2nd half of the season and than Durant will be like, I'm coming to Chicago to play with the reborn MVP & Buckets. Now time to wake back up, but a lot could happen to change the landscape. If we are moving Rose, we need to target a good PG though. I keep wondering if they will move Mirotic or if they are going to keep him and hope he improves on the 2nd half. Similarly, I wonder what they do with Pau. He has to have some good value and to be frank, we have become a soft team and while Pau is clearly a really good player, we need to get some tenacity in the middle. Outside of Davis, I'd be all over Boogie or Griffin.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) It's not normal, but again, on a spectrum, it's not national headline news either. The coverup and lie are s***ty, no denying that. I just don't get why we're bringing this up. King is because he thinks Peyton and Newton are treated differently, so he's drudging up past incidents. And for the record I f***ing hate Peyton Manning, and all the Mannings really, so I take no pleasure in "defending" him here. If we don't hear about him or Cam Newton's press conferences from here on out i'd be a very happy person. It looked to me that it was covered from the perspective that Manning made up a lot of s*** and accused her of stuff that was false, not really the other way around. The university and mannings basically took to the offensive and the essential story was this vulguar person who had it out for Peyton Manning accusing him of something (and I don't even know if it went to the point)...more just ripped her to shreds and ruined her career (unjustifiably).

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) It's not normal, but again, on a spectrum, it's not national headline news either. The coverup and lie are s***ty, no denying that. I just don't get why we're bringing this up. King is because he thinks Peyton and Newton are treated differently, so he's drudging up past incidents. And for the record I f***ing hate Peyton Manning, and all the Mannings really, so I take no pleasure in "defending" him here. If we don't hear about him or Cam Newton's press conferences from here on out i'd be a very happy person. Jameis Winston stealing f***ing crab legs was national news. I find it preposterous that this wouldn't have been national news. Preposterous. Peyton Manning had to be one of the most covered college QB's ever (along with Tebow).

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Why would Durant go anywhere when he can (1) still play with Westbrook and Ibaka and be a top team in the West...no other roster gives him that kind of talent to start with, and (2) sign a one year deal and cash in the following season with a max contract under the new cap system. Well, given Durant's injury, I'm going to guess whatever he does, he doesn't just sign a 1 year deal. I presume he'd sign a long term deal with a potential opt out after the first year. Westbrook a year from now and no one knows whether he will stay. Real question is, if Durant leaves in FA, does that mean they move Westbrook and rebuild in the same off-season?

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) Oh, not saying Lakers are an attractive situation but I know they will have room to offer max and will pursue hard. You are right if Clips get rid of Blake they may make offer. I think it's between OKC and WAS personally. But who knows, wouldn't be surprised if Dallas/Houston do crazy stuff to offload assets and are in mix, as they always seem to be. If I was NoLa, I'd do everything possible to shed what I can to offer max to him. That would be filthy. If I were the Bulls, I'd have Butler attend every single Anthony Davis event (same with Rose). Whisper in his ear and eventually get him to force a trade back home. Hell, build the franchise around Davis and trade Buckets and whatever for him. Somehow some birdies have to get him to force a move out of New Orleans. He'll never win anything there, imo.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) He's clearly stated he is a democratic socialist. I'll admit, every voter base has their complete buffoons. Bernie's are no different. I do think it's disingenuous to say he's a socialist as a boogie man scare tactic though. Why do you have an issue with a democratic socialist being labeled a socialist by some of us. Slippery slope. I've said all along, one thing I give Bernie credit for, is I genuinely believe he has the best interest in this country at heart. II do have a hard time disagreeing with the general concept of free education and everyone having health care. Just think about how our society has changed over the past 30 years, it used to be the majority stopped at or during high school...now maybe the bachelors degree should be just a continued portion of your education? How you pay for it, hard to say, but what if this debate was going on before school...would republicans have just argued that school isn't a right and only those who can pay for it, get loans to pay for it, etc, should go? I feel as I get older, I've actually moved more to the left than the right, but honestly, the argument well I had to pay for it is weak. I've long said I love the fact that Kasich broke party lines for health care. Whether the current form is in its best form, probably not, but the idea that people can't / shouldn't have coverage is just f***ing unbelievable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) Right. Especially as we appear to be rebuilding. We will have no true center. Washington - hometown LA - Durant loves limelight and media, it seems NY - no idea, but NY GS - best team in world If it were LA, I'm thinking Clippers before Lakers. I don't think any of you realize how negative the general perception of the Lakers is right now. Turmoil at the top, a mess at head coach, and literally zero talent. If I were the Bulls, I'd be doing everything I could to try and acquire the little talent they have, since they appear incompetent of using it correctly (looking at you, Russel & Randal). You all say the Bulls are a mess, geeze, you haven't seen the Lakers operations since Jerry Buss passed away. I can't ignore Phil and NY, although it would seemingly feel like a disaster for Durant and Melo to be on the same team. Butler and Durant isn't ideal but works a lot better, imo. Wall and the Wizards is solid, although do they truly have the cap space (or do they have to make pretty drastic maneuvers for that to happen. I personally think Heat are the sleepers in the whole deal. Are the Mavs going to have the cap space? You know Cuban would go all out and hard to beat (and its a major market and his college state). If the Bulls were going to do it, they'd obviously have to tweak the pieces, but on paper, Bulls aren't near as bad as everyone says. They have stuff to fix though, absolutely, and I keep hoping Gar is shown the door.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) According to Whitlock (consider the source), the writer of that article is a known liar. He's a white dude that complains all the time about treatment of black athletes. Apparently Whitlock was going to hire him for his ESPN site but they couldn't substantiate a lot of stories he told, so they moved on. edit: this was all on the dan patrick show this morning. The whole thing was a hitpiece that brings up crap from 15 years ago. And the underyling premise is that the media doesn't talk enough about white athletes like they do black athletes. Of course the huge missing component to that argument is the coverage of Kobe Bryant. This is his swan song season and i've not heard or read a word about Colorado in any of the stuff about him. He was celebrated last night, just like Peyton was celebrated after the SB. Pretty similar treatment. second edit: and really, it looks pretty bad and it's pretty terrible, don't get me wrong, but it's the dumb, immature prank of a 17-18 year old putting his junk on a trainers face. Quite different from other acts we've seen and heard about, like some girl getting raped by a star QB and the entire school and community laughing her out of town. Dude...throwing your junk and ass (fully exposed) in the face of some girl is way cross the lines of any normal 17-18 year old behavior. I This is actually putting it on there physical face. Yeah, I can't think of that as a "normal" teen prank. And than the actual coverup and lie. What fact pattern they have behind the university trying to blame a black player, but the quotes in this thing are pretty damning (of the lack of evidence between Manning's claims and reality, including lots of first hand responses who all side against Peyton). Its even worse if they tried to actually get another athlete to take the fall for Manning.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) According to Whitlock (consider the source), the writer of that article is a known liar. He's a white dude that complains all the time about treatment of black athletes. Apparently Whitlock was going to hire him for his ESPN site but they couldn't substantiate a lot of stories he told, so they moved on. The whole thing was a hitpiece that brings up crap from 15 years ago. And the underyling premise is that the media doesn't talk enough about white athletes like they do black athletes. Of course the huge missing component to that argument is the coverage of Kobe Bryant. This is his swan song season and i've not heard or read a word about Colorado in any of the stuff about him. He was celebrated last night, just like Peyton was celebrated after the SB. Pretty similar treatment. One big difference in all of that is Kobe took all of the heat and than some at the time of the Colorado incident. I don't recall Peyton ever really having to take any heat for this, so I think that makes the circumstances different. Like I said, I know nothing about the reporter, but if those aren't the facts, they should be canned and never get a job, and if they are the facts, than I can think of a lot of reasons it never grew, whether it was Tennessee looking the other way and/or eventually ESPN knowing that the ultimate piece would not be in there best interest. Just because Ray Rice got a lot of press doesn't mean others don't. And the Ray Rice incident truly blew up because of the video footage (yes the act got him in trouble but it was the video evidence of the act that really pushed things over...now the reality is the video shouldn't have made a difference, but nonetheless it did). Just look at all the stuff Winston has had to deal with and to be frank I'm surprised no one put a comparison between what Manning dealt with related to that incident vs. what Winston deal with for his. I don't know the actual facts and I sure as s*** am not going to read that whole thing (waste of my time) but if there is truth to this, than I think Manning should get raked over the coals for his actions. Should we ignore Cosby for his actions because of statute of limitations, hell no.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) So that pick is conveyed 2 years after the Lakers trade the 76ers their pick. The pick to the 76ers is top 3 protected this year and next (so it may convey but no guarantee) and then unprotected in 2018. However, if the Lakers pick doesn't got to the 76ers in either of the next two drafts then you simply get 2 second round picks instead. So that pick could have a lot of value if the Lakers are out of the top 3 either of the next two years or almost no value. You would have to think at some point Lakers get out of the top 3, but agree there is volatility to that. I still couldn't believe the Suns dealt that Laker pick.

In what currency LDF? You are getting screwed. It should at most be 2-3K and more likely less than that.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) Unless I'm missing something the 76ers, not the Magic, own the Lakers' pick. I agree, 76ers own the Lakers pick for this year. Dbaho mentioned the 2017 pick, but now I see that is really the 2018 pick (top 5 protected) and dates back to the Dwight Howard trade. Amazing how the Howard and Nash moves completely hampered the Lakers ability to draft players (especially if they end up losing the pick to the sixers).

That depends...will the Bulls get Durant? If so, I am on board with that Butler deal, haha. I love Buckets though. I think we need to move Rose and truly build the team around Butler and another star. Reality is that won't happen so I can only hope that somehow Rose and Butler can be humbled to make it work and actually make this a team.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 13, 2016 -> 07:52 AM) There's a rumor going around that the Bulls and Magic discussed a Jimmy Butler for Victor Oladipo, a 1st rounder and another player, but the Magic turned it down. Would Bulls fans do it if it was say Oladipo, Tobias Harris, Andrew Nicholson and the Lakers pick in 2017 for Butler and Portis? I can't even imagine why the Bulls could consider that trade for Butler. Especially the one that the Magic turned down. That is horrific for the Bulls. Butler is a top 15 player in this league who is signed to an extremely affordable contract, long term (yes, he would get far more on the open market). Basically that initial deal is so ridiculous I can't even believe it. Now your offer isn't as ridiculous (in fact I'd do it), given the potential value of that Lakers pick (along with Dipo & Harris).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 09:00 AM) I still loved the opening scene. So tense and then Daryl brings the pain out of nowhere Yeah...totally caught me unexpected.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 04:43 AM) If by some miracle Kasich does get the nomination, he can't pick another moderate governor as his running mate. He would need somebody to help keep the far right from staying home on Election Day. When push comes to shove, lets not pretend that the far right is going to not come out and vote when faced with an alternative of not coming out and getting Hillary or Bernie. And I always laugh how people don't think Bernie is a socialist when most all of the Bernie supporters I talk to (including a person who is working on his campaign trail) talk about how he is a socialist....but a different kind of socialist.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 14, 2016 -> 07:18 PM) No doubt That machine gun moment was badass too.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Feb 14, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) that had to be arguably one of the best episodes of the Walking Dead It was unbelievable.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) What I would think right off the bat is maybe grocery stores would hire full time? Don't limit her options to just retail though. I'm certain she is capable of all kinds of other full-time employment. What about Costco? They pay pretty solid and have good benefits.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 03:14 AM) I did a web search back in 02 or 03 and found this place. I posted at the old cubbune boards till the hosts started being nazis about everything. That group moved to a site named worldcrossing which was cool but eventually closed. I lurked on both forums. As WC closed Ive stuck around here. Dont post too much anymore tho. I recall a lot of you guys started as teenagers and now are grown men. Used to get a kick outta Beastly Ordoñez Josh - IIRC, you came from the same place Rexhudler did, but can't recall. If you did, do you keep in touch with him at all?

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 08:22 AM) There shouldn't be non-MLB All-Star games. There's nothing in the All-Star game that's worth getting hurt over. And these are the best, highest players in the game. Unless they're playing for a competitive advantage later on (an idea I DO NOT endorse), they're not going to take it seriously. I don't particularly think the risk in the NBA is much different than baseball (in-terms of injury).

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Feb 15, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) While I'm not sure how I feel about the Manning stuff, it's amazing how little airplay it is getting on ESPN. Just more proof ESPN is an arm of the NFL. ESPN has and will coverup articles to protect certain elements and they will likely continue to. Of course the one item I know about them keeping quiet (covering up might be the wrong word, rather decide not to cover), isn't near to the extent of what is happening here. You'd think Sports Illustrated or a competitor would be all over something like this though (if there were serious legs to it). The article was pretty damning (presuming all the information contained within it is true).

Well...I've always said I hated Manning and I had heard stories about the Mannings from some pretty keyed in people, but wow is all I can say. They are football's version of the Kennedy's.

It is why MLB still has the best ASG. I understand injury concerns, but dude, the NBA all star game could rival or be better than the MLB one if the guys played hard. An easy solution is to throw about 5M bucks to the winner. Maybe get crazy and throw a similar amount to charity. I guarantee you put something like that on the line, yes, these guys make a lot, but it would probably change the level of competition, etc. The game is just terrible. I'd love to see these guys actually play hard against each other (it would be so fun to watch).

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 12, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) Did you go to Iowa or do you just have an odd attraction to bad midwest sports teams? I'll hang up and listen to your answer. Also the drama that is Ncorg got me hooked her. I was off this site for a couple of months years back and then poof he was gone and never learned why. Someone could probably post the story, I never really followed / knew much about ncgorl, other than he posted here plus whitesox.com and someone outed him for something or another (don't recall what as it was mainly whitesox.com drama). I reside in Sunny California so part of my starting of the whole thing was I took a webdesign class in highschool, liked the Sox, saw Mario post a message on some Sox site (WSI or White Sox.com) that he had started a website and sent an email asking if he could use help. From there, the rest is history. My family is however from Iowa (Dad) and Illinois (Mom). No one in my family is a fan of Chicago sports teams but myself (you can thank WGN and probably the existence of Frank Thomas and as I'll proudly admit as a kid I liked both teams and it wasn't until the early 2000's where I stopped following the Cubs (and focused solely on Sox). Iowa fan though because my dad is (and almost all of my cousins went there). I went to Cal State Fullerton, home to one of the greatest baseball programs on the planet Hopefully my kids will become fans (working on them) and who knows, one day there might be a 2nd generation of Chisoxfn's posting on here.