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I think Bulls could deal Lavine. His shooting fits plenty of places but he obviously has his flaws. This roster brings them out a ton. Zero spacing and play. Demar is fine to keep and get assets for Lavine but even that I don’t get a ton, but different is at least different…maybe you get the same outcome maybe a better one, maybe a worse one…but what they have is clearly broke. Drafting has been s%*#, trading has been bad (Vuc was a massive overpay), and roster construction was poor. Yes Lonzo got hurt but good lord pivot. I love basketball and I just hate everything about this team. Even White who has been a good story just slowly developing - nice growth, but that is like the only like truly likeable thing on this team. Ayo plays hard so I guess that too - but he obviously had flaws. Derozan is good dude so you can root for him and he seems like a great teammate so I get that. But god such a boring an awful zero upside team.

And yes - trading Butler in hindsight was not good. Of course I said that at the time too. Part of that is more how bad the Bulls did resetting too. This front office is so much worse than Paxson.

They need to move one of Derozan or Lavine. Those two together don’t work. They really need to blow it the hell up but I know that won’t happen - but trading one and getting better fits and parts would be an improvement.

The penalties and mis blocks that drove negative plays were brutal yesterday and definitely put the Bears in an uphill situation against a really good team. It seemed like any good play - you took a step back and you can't afford that on the road against a team like the Chargers, especially with a young QB making their 2nd start.

I did notice that in person at the game. I thought his deep ball was awful looking - other than the throw to Mooney. The Velus throw was such a bad throw - I get Velus shouldn't have slipped - but I MEAN a total lame duck wobbly throw. Same thing on the pick - he air mailed an intermediate route. I guess someone said it was a misunderstanding - but from my eye he was either throwing to Moore or Mooney (and Mooney looked open) but it got away. He would than come back and throw an out and throw with some real zip and accuracy (like he threw some tremendous balls yesterday too).

Yeah - he left some throws out there and you can tell arm strength isn’t there. His deep ball was everywhere. Penalties were bad too. Chargers crushed them. Hopefully Fields is healthy and ready to rock starting next week.

I said it two years ago and I’ll say it again - Patrick Williams absolutely sucks. He somehow continues to get worse. Such a bad 4th overall pick.

The double moves should be open for some big plays. He's going to have to show his arm is good enough to hit on those. If he doesn't, things are going to get a lot tougher for him.

The thing is - if Fields can ever have that switch go off - he can be really really good. I'm predicting we see him back in 2-3 more weeks, potentially missing 4 weeks and he'll be coming back after the Panthers / Bears Thursday night game. That would give him 10 days to get reacclimated and hopefully enough time to start feeling better. I am hoping that Fields is really watching and learning some things in the meantime. But I'm not going to vicerate him for the Vikings games and forget the 2 previous games where he played at a high level. Yes, against bad defenses, but there was real growth in those games. Quite frankly - I'm kind of impressed how the team has largely held it together despite so much. Not saying Flus is someone special, but it shows me at least a little something. Also shows me something about the players they brought in. But geeze, defense is really flying to the ball, again, despite having a weak pass rush. I do think this defense could take a HUGE step forward in a year if we see the pass rush take off. Like a lot of the new additions on defense and Brisker had a weak start, but he is FLYING all over the place now that he has gotten healthier. Edmunds and Edwards too.

I go back to, I think at the very least they have found a very solid, cost controlled back up in Bagent and that is good. I don't know that he has the arm to be more than that, but lets see what can happen while Fields gets healthy. I still expect to go back to Fields, cause his physical tools are elite. But I'm a glass half full guy and I think Fields seeing this first hand can only help him develop and push and grow more as well. And in the meantime I will continue to hope and root that Bagent is more than just a backup and that he can be one of those guys that transcends things. Its happened. Brady and Brees, neither one of them were full of all of the physical tools - but their physical tools were good enough and they made up for it with pin-point accuracy (which is a physical tool) and an elite skill to read/react and get the ball out and make plays. I will also point out - the defense has been very fun to watch now for a few games in a row. This was largely against bad offenses though, so I'm somewhat curious to see what happens against Chargers. I expect a beatdown, but am hoping somehow they pleasantly surprise us.

It is back to - draft someone early and make them earn it and compete. But draft a high end qb prospect unless one of Fields and Bagent show you something special.

Tom Brady didn’t start his career having a great arm. And no I am not saying Bagent is going to be Tom Brady.

At the very least Bagent is a good back up. I think that for sure. To your point his arm strength may not allow him to be a starter.

Well track record of this front office drafting isn't good. Williams is NOT good and they have held onto him for far too long. Coby White is past regime - he has at least continued to improve and he is a decent rotational player. Ayo had one good year so that was good value out of that late of a pick. The front office gave everything else up but Talen looks terrible....we'll see how this year's pick works (not that they have much cause they gave up the farm for a slightly above average center).

I am such a big basketball fan - yet season hasn’t start and I could barely care about Bulls. They have had some bad teams of late but I am so apathetic. Makes me sad cause I feel that way for everyone but Bears and if Fields is out and Bagent ends up sucking than I will have basically that for Bears all season too. And Bears are only one of my 3 teams that give me any hope cause they at least have draft picks who can give me hope (even if it is false hope). Seripusly though - this team is worse in terms of my joy for them than the post Jordan years with Ron Mercer and Corey Benjamin and Jason Caffey. They aren’t like awful like that team but they are like that team cause the franchise has zero building blocks.

Its like Tom Brady. Tom Brady post 40 would be the greatest QB on the Bears by far - and no offense to Walter Payton, he would have also been the best offensive player in franchise history (just counting his stats from the moment he turned 40).

I'm a simple person. Do I want my team to win the championship - absolutely, but I enjoy baseball and look at it from a how much fun did I have in any given season. 10 seasons making the playoffs in 21 - means I had at least 10 really fun 162 game seasons. Playoffs weren't fun - but the team was fun for 162 out of 165 games every year. The playoffs, sure those stunk, but it doesn't take away from the fun regular season / entertainment value for that. Inverse is - Marlins win 2 world series and are largely irrelevant outside of that. The memories from those 2 world series championships for the fans I'm sure is fun - but there are also what 15 years of pure misery where your season was over by the time April was done. That is just miserable as a fan.

I agree completely.

That sounds pretty good to me. And I like the idea of resetting the clock and paying Higgins a ton, put him with Moore, Scott and draft another wideout (doesn't need to be Marvin Harrison). IF you want - take the stud TE to pair with Kmet. That is a ton of weapons and you CAN afford it because you have a QB on a rookie deal. Take another oline or edge spot, draft or sign a center in FA, spend money on a Dlinemen in FA and use a bunch of other picks. If this year's draft picks show growth, that is the beginnings of a much improved roster and you are putting your young QB in a good spot. And by the way - you can sit the young QB behind Fields for the season too - see if it turns into a Drew Brees / Phillip Rivers situation like San Diego had. If Fields kicks butt you franchise and trade him (or trade your young QB - I don't care).

This. And the Bears can absolutely afford to use one of their top picks on a QB while still using cap space and draft capital to make the rest of the parts better. They have DJ Moore and Kmet. They have some solid running backs and the oline while not good yesterday isn't the dumpster fire it was 2-3 years ago. Wright will continue to grow - lets see what Jones does, lets see if Jenkins can be healthy (when he is - he is a monster). Davis actually looked pretty good prior to getting hurt too. They need a center and potentially a LT (and that is potentially). Defensively - the secondary looks to be improving. Jackson is no good, but otherwise a lot of players flashing and growing. Pass rush needs help. A good QB gets this team better fast and resetting the clock while you continue to stockpile asset (key is drafting well) and this could get better really fast (it may not feel like it, but it could). Not saying next year fast - cause rookie QB's will struggle in year 1.

I don't really blame him. You don't need to say to the media - we benched him because he stunk or whatever. Everyone in the lockeroom knows and Whitehair knows.

I am really hoping this is a 2-4 week thing for Fields. That way he can sit on the sideline, absorb what he's learned, whats been working and not, and than come back for the final half of the season to hopefully build on the positives from the prior 2 weeks. If he misses the season - than things get interesting, cause now odds of 2 top 5 picks go through the roof. Albeit - outside of the weak arm, I saw a lot to like about Bagent. The problem is - that arm. Drew Brees made it work but that is 1 in a million.

The defense wasn’t bad. The offensive play calling was atrocious. Fields also held ball too long. Hopefully his injury is not serious. I presume given he was questionable to return that this was not a serious injury.

This is probably his worse game and he is still making plays. Dude is incredible. If Bears have #1 pick - they have to take him unless Fields is literally averaging 275+ and 3TD per game. Williams is ridiculous.

Well said.