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He traded for aging Lance Lynn (who was great his first year) and than the Kimbrel move for a closer. I don’t recall many other trades but I’m sure im forgetting and than all the money that went to relievers or aging guys.

I think the bigger issue was Lavine and Derozan don’t work. But awful timing cause Lavine value is down so much - despite coming off 3 straight highly efficient seasons. The roster design was so bad sans the window with Lonzo (but even than on paper that offseason the whole league ripped the fit with Derozan and Lavine). Took 3 freaking years to get here. Lavine now out another month - take them to around January 15th. My guess is he will get traded by than and has played his last game with Bulls.

If I were the Orioles I would stay the course. You aren’t going to beat the Yankees giving up your prospects and going move for move with them. So stay the course and if you are in position at deadline to make a deep run than see what you can do. Otherwise the risk you give up a bunch for cease and are back to being the Orioles and 10 games back puts you in a bad spot. Kind of like how Rick Hahn ran this org from the second they had one decent season to like pretend like they were going to spend like big fish and instead he spent annual money and on stupid stuff.

If it were me, I would take the Sox. I think you will have a longer runway to show you are a new player and to get rid of the old stigma attached to him. The Mets may not give that same flexibility / run, so to me, if I were him and money was even near equal, the opportunity Sox would provide him to have is > for his long-term earnings capacity. Mets could pivot away from that $10M in a week, where as Sox are going to view that as a bigger investment and thus put more time before entirely "writing it off".

All reports seemed to indicate the players aren't on board with him and it sounds like new ownership's lean was likely for an entirely fresh start. What I don't know is - are the players not lining up with Bieniemy is that a player issue (as in the players are soft) or is it really a coach issue and his more direct, aggressive nature doesn't work for these athletes. Maybe it was fine when he was with Andy Reid and they compared and contrasted well and same with Rivera - but when you switch to HC maybe it causes an issue. In general though - from outsider(s) view I would think if you stuck with Flus (and not sure this is what it is saying) than yeah, Bienemy would be a great candidate as an OC. I don't know that he would be my go to as a head coach. I'm entirely in the camp of right a blank check to Harbaugh and give it a whirl.

Could the Giants be a sleeper and in on Cease? Especially after Dodgers get Shohei

I’m good with this. Right type of chance to take.

This was really the year where 8 would have been perfect. I've always been in favor of 8 or 10 with top 2 getting a bye. I always say after that - you really can't argue and in fairness, most years 4 was probably enough. Heck in almost all instances 6 is enough. So yes - 4 is better than 2, 12 is actually probably too many, but I can live with it as well. But I could just see in the NFL, say Niners are the top seed and than they lose their 3 best players. Should the NFL step in and say - nah, you don't deserve a bye. Or maybe said the other way - would anyone think it would make sense to institute a committee to make that assessment and have the ability to shift who does it.

I'm in the camp of - best chance to for sure make playoffs next 2 years is to keep Fields, take the 5th year option on him and than basically you have franchise tag option for year 3. So basically you have 3 years at him before he totally kills your cap. In the meantime you will have 2 more years where he costs materially less than a non rookie deal QB and have plenty of other assets to stockpile everything. I am also in the camp that FIelds is at this point going to be on average a #10 QB. This means he may have a year where he slides into the back half of the top 10, he'll also likely have years where he is the 13th-15th best QB at times. I don't see him ascending into difference maker spot and I don't see the team winning a superbowl with a QB outside of the top 10 nor do I see a long term sustained run of success (i.e., I see the team making the playoffs for 2 years but probably not being dangerous enough...although they could have a year they make a run if they wanted to push their chips in). The inverse is - If the Bears draft a QB with Panthers pick and move Fields...I don't see them making the playoffs next year and reality is even the following year may be difficult, although I wouldn't say impossible. I would expect the 2nd year the trend would be upward because I see the floor of Williams as being a 10-15 QB as well. He just has way too many plus attributes not to be that sort of guy in my mind. I watched a lot of Washington games and Penix is a very good pocket passer - his release is long and slow and the zip on his arm is nowhere near what Williams can do. Williams also has that added dimension. He also goes too much ad-lib, but I don't see him like Fields because he's always keeping his eyes down field. Its why I like him and McCarthy as my top 2 QB's (I haven't watched enough of Daniels to figure out). But after that 2nd year - the team still will have basically 4 years of control on the QB (if they want to) - that includes a 5th year option and use of franchise tag in the following year (we hope it doesn't get to that point). In that window this should still be an ascending football club given the rest of the assets they have and if you hit on the QB (and the QB is going to be coming into a situation where the cupboard is much better equipped...oline sans center is solid, you have a #1 wideout (and this is a draft where you can get a 2nd high end wideout with the Bears pick) and the defense is trending up. The Bears also have a TON of cap space so they could really stockpile the offense. For example - they could sign Tee Higgins and go with Moore / Higgins and than use a draft pick on someone like Bowers to go with Kmet. Basically 4 above average weapons, solid oline (draft a center & sign one - they have the cap space for it) and your young QB should be in a tremendous position. I'm in the camp that I'm going option 2 - unless Fields really balls out where it looks like his ceiling is a 5-7 QB, in which case than I think you are talking about someone like Dak, and at that point, I think I trade out of #1 and get way more assets and basically just say this guy is good enough to consistently win with and if I put the right team around him I can go far. Fields has shown a ton of improvement this year - I won't deny that, but he hasn't shown that he elevates the rest of the team and that to me is what I consider a different maker and the type of player that I would give a multi-year extension at QB.

100 percent wrong choice. I get it - FSU would lose but they played the season that got them there. Can’t punish them because their qb got hurt. The resume is the resume and they should get in over a one loss Bama or Georgia. Otherwise what is the point.

Yes they should have. Sad how much they probably killed Lavine trade value. Should have moved him in offseason and Derozan. Bunch of idiots.

He also just looks like a dude. I hope he doesn't get injured, cause he's got special written all over him. Last player I said that about was Robert, but Montgomery in my mind has more upside.

Dodgers have given up good players in trades.

Jimenez has value, despite his injuries and defensive limitations. Now he did have a poor year at the plate, but was healthier than the past. Maybe he can have a normal offseason and work with some new coaches and spring board into an elite season. I think that is probably smarter than dealing him for 10 cents on the dollar. Sheets on the other hand is awful. He can't play the field and is a lousy hitter with zero upside nor does he have a track record in the minors that would make you think otherwise. And it isn't like he's a platoon beast or something that smashes right handers. This is a guy that for whatever reason has gotten massive amount of at bats despite having zero upside and limited to bad tools across the board. He is literally one of the worst players in all of baseball and somehow he has gotten a massive amount of playing time over past couple season(s). I get one season - but last year the amount of run he got for the limited upside (and pure downside given how atrocious he is in the field) was just unimaginable.

It depends - get a real high end front end and than get more players because they are older, but with upside in a deep organization and maybe you end up with a better value. One top end high end and a good amount of quality quantity. I don't know whether Dodgers would do it - but an organization like that is better prepared to do so and the Sox as thin as they are could probably benefit a ton from a trade like that in terms of really raising the tide. Kind of like the anti Burger trade. The Burger trade, on paper I get moving Burger, you might be selling high. But if you do it - you got to get multiple players, cause they basically traded for a lottery ticket with a high bust rate.

They can’t draft a new qb and keep Flus. I suppose you could punt on the qb, replace Getsy and draft Marvin Harrison after a trade down from #1 and give Flus one more year. Flus isn’t trash but he isn’t great either. I commend the team plays hard despite all the losses, but Poles had to talk to him about not using Sweat (and my guess is also for them to use Moore more). That isn’t a good sign in my mind.

They did win the turnover and time of possession battle. Had they lost - it would have been a 3rd game where they outplayed the competition materially and lost. Flus is gone at end of the year, but had they not had two epic choke jobs, they would be 6-3 in their last 9 games and trending up. Defense is certainly trending up. Sweat addition looks a hell of a lot better thus far than Claypool.

I don’t care and am fine with them winning. Defense is improving…and young players are flashing. Offense…well they will have entirely new coaches soon enough. End of the day I care about Panthers pick and the rest of the team trending up. If Bears pick at 1 and 2 great or if it is at 1 and 8 and 8 is because the team and younger players are trending right direction, great. But get the qb with the first pick and go tackle or something else. Bears aren’t getting Harrison JR cause they were never going to pick ahead of Arizona.

I would imagine Getz would like to have this deal made in advance of the winter meetings - as it kind of signals the start of what else might come, whether other retooling efforts and/or fully opening up more parts for potential sales. Maybe it is than at Winter Meetings where someone blows the Sox "socks" off for say a Robert.

I agree - maximize now. I get it - he could improve his value with a strong 1st half of the year, however, I still think he's one year off Cy Young type season and is under control for 2 years at reasonable cost. Teams will pay for his peak or close to it now given the value in the control to a contender. Well worth getting now than taking on the injury risk and potential production risk vs. maybe getting an extra 20% more return if he were to go out and totally ball out.

I really don't know what people expected. Yes, Stroud has been ridiculous this year despite limitations on that roster. Major kudos to Stroud, but lets not pretend like anyone was seeing this coming (like no one). On the inverse - Young struggling with a poor roster, not a surprise. I here people saying Panthers are doomed - they have a #1 overall pick at QB in his first year. The kid can play, albeit, his frame is small so the question is can he stand up to take the beating. I fully expect you will see Young improve in year 2 and if he is healthy he will be a good QB (I'm not saying great). The problem with Panthers is - they leveraged the farm too soon. I get selling out for a QB - but they mortgaged a lot without pieces around the QB. Although I Get it - you got to get the QB. It is basically what Bears have done forever. This upcoming draft is the first time in my lifetime that I can remember, where the team wouldn't be mortgaging anything to take a QB high (and they would also have plenty of parts around the young QB - with the only current exception being the HC). But if the Bears were to go with a QB with one of their first 2 picks, they aren't mortgaging anything, they still have another high pick for another weapon, plus have Kmet, solid running backs, solid oline (sans center), DJ Moore, and the cap space to add more weapons too.

Rick Hahn would have but I am hoping Getz wouldn’t.

Pat Williams only gets worse. Vuc and Derozan efficiency rates in the tubes. The Bulls need to clean house before they clean house. This is the absolute worse front office / coaching staff in the league. Lavine gets all the blame and some of it deservingly so, but him and Caruso are the only above average players on this team (maybe White as well). Pure crap around them all done by a pure crap front office. Need to fire everyone and let new front office make the trades. Don’t let this clown show front office anywhere near the tear down. This clowns thought running back a bad team with minimal upside young players was a good idea….two years in a row too. Pathetic losers.

I would trade #1 pick. I am not taking a wideout at 1 no matter how generational they are.

I have liked the idea of brockets and Harrison jr for a while. But with then moving down and getting a future 1st too. Don’t know if that is really possible but I think that gives any qb we have and oc a ton to work with.