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Just to reinforce what someone else said, Reinsdorf bought rings for like everyone in the Sox organization. A lady who I worked with used to work there part time (shes full time now) and they even gave her a ring. She brought it in and I got to wear it, so good enough for me.

So how many minutes will we miss of the Wisconsin- Indiana game in favor of Kentucky- Tenn guess tehy are pushing the tip off back 10 minutes. I just hate watching these free throw endings.

Yeah probably not a smart idea to put the names on orange with a black outline.

I dont know. I really dont believe that 1 person did it. But anything is possible.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 15, 2013 -> 12:15 PM) Looking at his resume there doesnt seem to be anywhere that hes went where he didnt have a a top offense in the respective league he was coaching. Except for 2004 Dolphins, where he was QB/Assistant HC. And 2005-6 when he was OC for NC State and they were 95th in total offense (119 total schools) So that is part of the reason why he went to Canada. He was coming off 2 pretty bad years and did not even have a job in 06-07. Trestman may be the best coach ever, but you are reaching if you say hes never been part of a bad offense. His last 2 jobs in the US were bad offenses.

Yeah Im just in a really strange mood about the Bears. Im not a Lovie fan, but I just have this really bad feeling. Maybe if Im really negative the bears will do good and then Ill just have to deal with being a naysayer and hater. I guess another draft could really change things too. I just was so underwhelmed with last years draft, just really concerned.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) I see, I took your post to imply that "not knowing exactly what you want" is a detriment to the GM and the coaching search. No harm intended. I agree entirely that this coaching search has revealed that Emery does not know what he wants as an end game, I was just defending that that might not be a bad approach to the process. EDIT: and obviously none of the teams searching for a head coach this season are franchises worth emulation it was just an example that many organizations enter the process casting a wide net. Having an open mind could be good or bad. My worry about Emery comes from the fact he was hired by the Bears front office which has consistently proven to be bad.

QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:22 PM) Don't that personally. It wasn't a slam at all. And its more perception than reality, because you're right Wilson is the one that truly came out of nowhere. My comment was really a backhanded measure of respect because Wisconsin seems to get the most out of their players. Accurate or not, I think that's a fairly common perception. And you're right, there is an irony in the comment when coming from IU. Also, a reason I made a comment which by some may not be read as very PC. I hope your feelings about Wisky on the road are right. I think IU will take care of business, but level of respect for what UW has done in past years, especially against IU makes me 2nd guess. No problem. I thought you were piling on the earlier comment about the Indiana fan who has a bad feeling because they have to watch Wisconsin basketball: "I do too, but that feeling could be because I'm going to have to watch Wisconsin play basketball." Which is just so hilarious as Bo Ryan credit's Bob Knight for teaching him a lot about basketball.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:20 PM) I would consider Trestman to be a pretty unique coach, certainly not unique in caliber but unique in a number of ways. Certainly if they are interested in having him as one of their finalists each of the other finalists are not going to be very similar to this individual. All three finalists are offensive coordinator types, despite their dissimilarity. And even removing Chip Kelly from the equation the candidates the Eagles have pursued since Kelly have a very wide range in style and philosophy. EDIT: the net they have cast outside of Kelly is similarly wide as the Bears. First of all you are acting like I think the Eagles are well run, Im not qualified to speak about their team, but I am pretty sure that their last NFL Championship was before 1985, so not exactly a team that I am looking to emulate. Secondly, if we want to hire people because of their "unique" story, well Bevell was a mormon and went on a mission. He also won the Rose Bowl for Wisconsin. Third, just because they are OC's doesnt mean that they are similar. That would be like saying if I had 2 DC finalists, 1 who ran 4-3 exclusively and 1 who ran 3-4 exclusively that they were similar. Sure they both coach defense, but they do it in an entirely different way. QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:24 PM) I don't think Emery goes into the interview looking for a guy who says we should become 2-1 pass or 2-1 run or whatever. As he said in his PC, he isn't there to prescribe a coaching philosophy to anyone. The "winner" of this interview process is the one who can convince him that HE can win with the Bears both now and onward, indefinitely. There is a particular kind of personality or kinds of personalities he wants and he talked about some of those things in that press conference. I'd say the quality of the argument is as important as to the substance of it -- you don't have to run a 4-3, but you must give me a satisfactory explanation (using the reasoning that appeals to my football sense) as to why you would do things differently. QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:27 PM) Exactly. Maybe it's not such a bad thing that Emery isn't out there thinking he knows exactly what the best formula for offensive success is, couldn't his openness to ideas be an asset in the end? Another example, speaking of Trestman in particular, he was the runner up for the Indianpolis job a year ago that winded up going to Chuck Pagano - a defensive mind. The argument was against Jake for saying that "Emery knows exactly what he wants". I dont care if he goes into the final interview with a DC, OC, ST, a NCAA HC etc. That isnt what I am saying. I am saying that Emery does not know exactly what he wants. I am not sure why you are even arguing, because you are now saying that "openness could be an asset." Well of course it could be, I never said it couldnt. I very specifically was saying that based on the interview process there is no way to logically conclude Emery knows exactly what he wants. No one is even arguing against that. I am not saying which interview process is better. It depends on the person. Which is why I used 2 examples of buying a car, because both examples are fine, but there is no way you can argue that in one of them I knew exactly what I wanted.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:14 PM) But they clearly aren't sure about "what type" of coach they then want if their candidates now are dissimilar from Chip Kelly? No they were sure what type of coach they wanted, Chip Kelly. If I want a specific product and I go to the store and its sold out, then I have to make another choice. Especially in this scenario when there is no other Chip Kelly because they wanted a certain person for his unique skills. Its like saying that I wanted to hire Phil Jackson, but once I couldnt hire him I went in a completely different direction. Of course that makes sense, because I want the individual for their uniqueness. (edit) And to make this clear. Im not saying its good or bad. Im just saying that if he has people with different philosophies as finalists, he likely does not have a set vision in his mind for how the Bears are going to play. Whereas the Eagles clearly had a vision when they were going for Chip Kelly. But once they could not land him, they didnt want to get a knockoff version.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:06 PM) It seems pretty common for teams to interview HC candidates whose philosophies vary, no? The Eagles interviewed Chip Kelly and Lovie Smith, couldn't be much more different. They went balls to the wall for Kelly and are not conducting a second round with a defensive coordinator from Seattle. No that makes perfect sense. Chip Kelly was Eagles dream coach. They went crazy for him. After they couldnt get their first choice, they had to reassess. Who did the Bears go crazy for? If Emery went after "his guy" and didnt land him, Id completely understand why hes unsure now.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 11:06 PM) It seems pretty common for teams to interview HC candidates whose philosophies vary, no? Interview yes, make them finalists would suggest that the GM isnt sure what he wants to do, right? For example. If I know what type of car I want to buy (sports car), Im not likely to have my 2 finalists be a Porsche and a F-150. Because what is the point of that. My 2 finalists would likely be 2 sports cars. Now if I have no clue what type of car I want, then I might pick 2 cars that are extremely different. But that would mean I dont know what I want. And if Emery doesnt know what type of coach he wants at this point in his career, Im really really scared.

If Emery knows exactly what he wants, why are the alleged 2 finalists not very similar? Youd expect 2 OC's with similar philosophies, not 2 OC's who might as well come from different planets. Trestman- Alouttes are top 3 passing attempts. http://en.montrealalouettes.com/statistics...ssing/year/2012 If you compare passing to runs, its approximately 2 passes to every run. Bevell- University of Wisconsin graduate. QB for Barry Alvarez. You set the pass up with the run. Seattle 2012, more runs than passes. If you look historically Bevell's teams are much more balanced or slightly run leaning. Trestman is almost always pass leaning. How can you know exactly what you want if you arent even sure if you want a pass first offense or a run first offense?

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 09:47 PM) The Bears fired Lovie a season to late, they should have fired him after the 2011 season and should've hired Jeff Fisher. I also would agree with this. If you are going to hire a new gm, you might as well get rid of the coach too. Whether or not they chose Fischer, it would have been much smarter to do them both at the same time. 1 year of transition instead of 2. (edit) Unless the new GM is on the same page as the coach and wants him. But not if hes going to fire him the next year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) I really don't get the fascination with Cowher...he doesn't strike me as some incredibly intelligent guy or amazing leader...and it's not like Tomlin didn't walk in and do the exact same thing with that team as Cowher did. Cowher isnt going to come to a team that wont spend a ton of money. If the Bears hired Cowher it would mean that they were going to spend a ton on coaches, and Id be excited. Its not about who Id hire this year, its more about why keeping Lovie 1 more year was the better decision for the team as currently constructed.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 09:34 PM) Cowher has said that he doesn't want to coach next year It doesnt matter. The entire premise of my argument is the Bears shouldnt be firing Lovie this year. Its a terrible year for hiring coaches when there are a bunch of vacancies and you arent going to bid competitively. And it also doesnt matter because the Bears were never going to hire a coach like that. The Bears have a brand new GM who wants to prove himself. He isnt going to hire a coach who wants a lot of control. That means you are not going to be able to hire most of the top candidates who already have experrience. Its not really shocking at all.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 09:22 PM) I don't think that's a bad thing...what other proven hc are you going to get that isn't coming off his own failures? If money isnt a thing? The Bears could have gone after Cowher. Otherwise it really does not make a lot of sense to fire a coach of a team on its last legs. The reality is, not many offensive players have left the Bears to be world beaters. Lovie has not had an amazing GM. He may have had his flaws, but if you seriously look at the past Bears teams, they had a lot of deficiencies, especially on offense. I just think he deserved 1 more year.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 09:18 PM) You should have known they would not hire a proven head coach. Other than the Cubs, what team in Chicago ever hires a proven coach, especially the Bears? I never did. Which is why from the day Lovie was fired I have been saying that while I was not a huge Lovie fan, I also disagreed with the Bears firing him this year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 08:50 PM) I raised this too...apparently Trestman wants a HC position, otherwise he will stay in Montreal. French Canada is the best Canada. But (imo) there are plenty of interesting and exciting OC candidates every year. The Bears just either go cheap (Mike Tice) or ridiculous (Martz). There are what 50 elite HC jobs in the world when it comes to football (including college)? You should be hiring a guy that youd be willing to cut your dick off to hire.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 08:44 PM) If Lovie doesn't get a job and he can keep Rod on board, which many have suggested is a strong possibility (Rod staying), then I think it will be a successful coaching staff. Id be okay with that, but I still think its a step down from Lovie Smith as HC, Trestman as OC and Marinelli as DC. Especially as its a veteran team and they all responded to Lovie. I would need to know more about the previous OC hiring decisions, and how much was Emery/Angelo, and how much was Lovie. (edit to your edit) And yes, Arians (imo) is the better candidate.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 08:40 PM) “The way he relates to the quarterback,” Gannon said when asked what makes Trestman unique. “Every quarterback who has played for him has gotten better. “If you ask me if there’s one thing Chicago needs, it’s someone to get Jay Cutler back on track. If you look at [Cutler’s] footwork and ballhandling, he has major issues. Some fundamental things have slipped by the wayside because he hasn’t been coached properly. Marc could come in there and get him straightened out.” The guy had success with Jake freakin Plummer, was the QB coach & OC for Rich Gannon's MVP season. He's certainly no sure thing but I feel like hes getting way less of a chance from the masses due to the fact that hes currently in the CFL. No I think the masses would be more than okay with Testman as an OC where his entire job is helping Cutler and getting the offense to work. But if Trestman is the HC, he is going to have to work with both sides of the ball, so he cant put as much time and effort into the offense. For example, if the Bears kept Lovie and hired Trestman, I think many people would have read these comments with great enthusiasm.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 08:36 PM) I will never forget Brian Butch banking in a game-winning 3 in 2008. Grrr. I was sitting right there and could see it perfectly. That shot was lucky, but Ill take it

The real tell is going to be the contract. If the Bears coach is being paid less than everyone else, then we know it wasnt about how good they were, it was about how little they wanted. I just cant imagine if money is no option that your top 2 choices are Trestman and Bevell.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 08:17 PM) Firing Lovie to hire Marc Trestman would be a huge disappointment. But whatever. Emery's career rides on this guy having success so he must feel pretty damn good about him. Still, not my first choice (or 2nd or 3rd or 4th...). This is why I was extremely terrified about losing Lovie. At least Lovie is respected and trusted by the players. If you are going to change the entire system and disrupt a veteran team, it better be for a proven coach.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 14, 2013 -> 07:17 PM) Bevell would be a great choice. Cant disagree more. Bevell is a Wisconsin guy and I was terrified he was going to be named Wisconsin HC. Him being named Bears HC would be extremely underwhelming. Unless he is bringing Russell Wilson with him, because Russell Wilson is magic and you should never rate a team's offense based on Russell Wilson magic.