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Itd be pretty ironic if after all of this if Uthoff transfers to a school that was never restricted in the first place. Would really be quite the nonsense situation to make a big deal about it, and then not really even care. I figured he was fighting so hard because he really wanted ISU.

Which will be awesome as that may be the only program Iowa fans dislike more than Wisconsin.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Apr 19, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) LOL, but when someone gives their opinion on Wisconsin (everyone NOT a Wisconsin fan) and this whole transfer deal, you get all bent out of shape even when the facts and the media have already run with the story and Ryan looks like a complete jagbag on national radio. Mine view might be a TAD bit different, as you're throwing a bunch of hearsay from rival FANS about Crean, with no facts backing up anything, or any quotes from players. This whole thing backfired on you sooooooo bad it was comical to watch unfold. SS2K6 called you out on it big time and he was definitely right. Get bent out of shape? I never attacked anyone personally, I never made any personal comments to anyone. I merely disputed the facts as they were being portrayed in the media. If that is getting bent out of shape, then yes, I disputed the facts because I did not believe they were accurate. As for this whole thing backfiring, I dont get that. This is a forum that I come to for different perspectives. If I wanted only Wisconsin homers, I wouldnt talk about Wisconsin on a website based in Illinois. I actually prefer to hear reasonable outside perspectives. It really doesnt matter, half the time this board is a popularity contest. Im not going to be the most popular guy when Im the only Wisconsin fan in a NCAA thread, I get that. But, there are a few people who will read my posts openly and objectively, we may get some good discussion and to me thats a win.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 19, 2012 -> 03:00 PM) All I was asking is that you not do what you are complaining about other people doing. Taking people to task for making assumptions without facts, and then making assumptions when it benefits your argument isn't going to make your argument work. The quick editing of posts to delete stuff really bothers me though. That is a complete lie. Anyone who has read my posts knows that if I change something in my post I explicitly put (EDIT) Whether I take someone to task about assumptions in an entirely unrelated matter, and is UNRELATED TO A SPORTS DISCUSSION. You know assumptions are much more important when you are talking about legal rules that can be actually determined, as opposed to what a player or coach would do, which will always be an assumption. I really did not think I would need to spell that out. My arguments are compartmentalized, I dont argue with someone in the buster and bring it here. I can sense the tension from some posters, but I try and ignore it, I dont act any differently towards people because of disagreements in another thread. Everyone on this board has at one time been on my side or against me, and I would hope that most of them feel regardless I treated them in a similar fashion. I cant believe you would think that I would edit my post to win a silly sports argument. I have much more pride than that. (Edit) Just in case someone thought I was catching someone with an edit, I added (is) after (and) in the sports discussion comment. Sometimes I dont read when I post, so I have to go back and catch mistakes.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 19, 2012 -> 02:54 PM) Do we need to discuss whether to shut down A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub? I think there should be discussion about banning people who snipe across threads for no reason and then try and lie there way out of it. Bush league nonsense.

What are you talking about? The post was originally posted at Today, 02:19 PM This post has been edited by Soxbadger: Today, 02:20 PM I made an edit because of formatting. Are you seriously that petty you are trying to imply I changed my post to catch you?

I taunted the media about retracting their stories. Did you write a story on Bo Ryan that I am unfamiliar with?

And you are assuming that Wisconsin bent to media pressure. Do you get bored of following people around and referring to arguments that arent even from the subject thread? I mean seriously, this is a sports section, almost everything in here is speculation, conjecture and assumption. I dont work for Wisconsin, I dont know Bo Ryan, I have never met a single person we talk about. So what is the point of your constant sniping? It seriously gets old and detracts from actual discussion. I do my best to stay on topic and not attack people over other arguments and things that had no relevance to the topic at hand. All I ask is for the same respect.

That argument is the exact reason I would have stuck it to Uthoff and kept the restrictions. Uthoff should be thankful that Bo Ryan and Alvarez are grown ups and werent going to be petty or vindictive. Word out of Wisconsin from day 1 was that when Ryan got back and spoke with Uthoff the restrictions would be lifted. Unfortunately this all happened when Bo Ryan was on vacation and Uthoff told him not to come back early. /shrugs

I actually dont really care if mods are active etc, if you treat every poster as if they are a mod, you are more likely to stay on the right side of the fence anyways.

And as predicted, Wisconsin only restricting transfer inside the Big 10. https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Badgers (1/3) Jarrod Uthoff met with Assoc AD Justin Doherty & Director of Athletics Barry Alvarez Thursday as part of the appeal process. # Badgers (2/3) Doherty,Alvarez& Bo Ryan collectively decided UW Athletics will lift all “permission to contact” restrictions outside Big Ten # Badgers (3/3) Ryan is supportive of denials of Big Ten institutions only and has wanted appeals process to serve as a means for dialogue. # Badgers I wont hold my breathe on the retractions.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Apr 19, 2012 -> 02:15 PM) Seems this is all over now. Maybe you can keep your hearsay bulls*** about Crean and Indiana to yourself now You sir are a fine representation of the Indiana fan base. All because someone has a different opinion than you.

The problem is that no one will agree to that rule. If Zeller wanted to transfer from Indiana to Kentucky, I cant imagine Crean saying yes, thats just bad for business. In a perfect world the rule would only ban in conference and maybe 1 or 2 protected rivals, but there is just no way the NCAA will agree to that. The ACC may be extreme, but the argument "Why not ban all DI" is just a straw man. Bo Ryan isnt going out of his way to be vindictive, if he was, he would have restricted Creighton, UNI, teams that Uthoff had interest in during the recruitment process. Maybe a system like jury selection would work, your conference is automatic (unless the school waives it) and you get 5-10 other schools (rivals etc). That would give the school the ability to restrict but allow more freedom.

What does that have to do with anything? I mean that honestly. It seems that no one wants to actually discuss the issue, should schools be allowed to restrict transfers? I believe they should be able to. This goes for any school. Now I could agree with a rule that says you cant restrict like Manning is in Tulsa (allegedly only 3 schools), but I definitely think a school should be allowed to restrict anyone in their conference and anyone on their schedule.

Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt. But as a Wisconsin alumni, I do not want Wisconsin to give into the media hypocrisy. If you dont like transfer restrictions, attack the Big East, attack OSU, attack Michigan, attack every single school in the nation who restricts transfers. Maybe it hurts recruiting, maybe Wisconsin never wins another basketball game. If that is the case, so be it, I stand behind Bo Ryan. Bo Ryan has never pulled a scholarship from any athlete, in his entire time at Wisconsin only 1 player has ever transferred, no players have ever lost scholarships. In fact one player, http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/defau...p;coachID=22409, never even stepped on the court, yet still received a full ride from Bo Ryan. So if everything Bo Ryan has done for Wisconsin, is lost because of Uthoff, so be it. You do not bend to the media when they are wrong, you do not change who you are because of how many people may yell. The players Bo Ryan recruits, know Bo Ryan. Bo Ryan has never taken a scholarship away, he makes a commitment to the play for 4 or 5 years no matter what, and Bo wants players who will make that same agreement. If a player is unsure about it, if they are not willing to stand by their word, dont come to Wisconsin. There are plenty of kids who would die for a free ride to a great university. Wisconsin to me isnt about winning basketball games or football games, if they never win another basketball game, Ill still be a Wisconsin fan.

If only you needed an attorney not a cpa, Im getting tired of my daily grind.

Oh, so if I quit my job today by phone, I should be able to cry to the media that my employer wont give me a letter of recommendation or release me from my non-compete agreement? Its interesting that you seem to believe that there should be absolutely no ramifications for wanting out of a scholarship. Wisconsin spent a good amount of money on Uthoff this year, he wont have to repay a cent, yet he is the victim. I hope one day my kid is the victim of an elite academic institution who invests tens of thousands of dollars into them and then when my kid spurns them in complete disrespect, still allows them to receive financial aid from every other institution except 30. That truly is a horror story, how could my kid survive!?

SS2k, Well Im not privileged enough to be in the Wisconsin inner circle, so I cant say 100%, but I can quote what Ryan has said: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketbal...jarrod-uthoffs- So as I said, if Uthoff would have followed the procedures, Wisconsin may have granted him a full release. Its unfortunate that Uthoff didnt want to speak directly with Bo and didnt file his appeal correctly. But that cant be blamed on Wisconsin, all Bo Ryan was asking from Uthoff was to meet with him or the adminstration so that they could discuss the transfer and if there should be any restrictions. Is that so unreasonable?

Here is an interesting article on transfers: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball...nd-restrictions As you can see, almost every coach does what Bo Ryan did. The most interesting is: Evan Smotrycz (Michigan) -- Not able to go to another Big Ten school or any team that has been scheduled for the next two years. Now the only reason Bo put the ACC was because of the Big 10 - ACC challenge. Most people believe that had Uthoff actually asked Bo to go to an ACC school he would have let him. The problem is Uthoff never spoke with Ryan, so Ryan had no idea that he was upset about these restrictions. Today Uthoff and Bo are meeting, my guess is that after they speak, everyone is happy and moves on. It just was a problem because Uthoff refused to use the proper Wisconsin channels and therefore it appeared to Wisconsin that Uthoff was being dishonest about the process.

Heads, Bo called a bunch of coaches, they all told him to restrict the closest schools, ISU was one of them. It wasnt spite or anything, Bo just has never had a kid want to transfer before. This was his first time, so he did what other coaches suggested he do. ISU doesnt make any sense unless they believe there is tampering, I would have no problem with him transferring to ISU, provided there is no tampering. Jenks, Its pretty simple why the rule exists, if it didnt exist every good player would be constantly recruited by UNC, Duke, Kansas etc. Oh you blew up last year at no name U, why dont you transfer to our program? The rule exists to protect the Universities which is why the NCAA wants the rule. The recruiting game before college is terrible, no one wants that to continue through college, in fact most people want there to be less recruiting nonsense. By having this rule, you put a "deadline" on recruiting. After the LOI, the player is locked in to that team. Why does the NBA have contracts for rookies? Why cant the rookie just go anywhere they want after the first year? Its the exact same answer. The fact its even news is nonsense, the rules clearly allow a team to restrict, Wisconsin is restricting. If you dont want players to be bound, petition the NCAA. There is a reason why no coach is coming out against Ryan, its because they all want to make sure that they can restrict in the future. Do you really think if I tomorrow go work for MAC, that they would let me leave and take all their ideas to Microsoft? You dont think there would be any restriction on my employment? Its silly. All the NCAA has to do is change the rule: "You can only restrict in conference, within X miles of school or to a school you play within 1 calendar year", that way its clear. I just wonder why no one is commenting about Danny Manning and his restrictions?

I always have a secret hope that Rios will be good again. I dont know why.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 18, 2012 -> 03:46 PM) Busterites- 1. Should there even BE a Filibuster? Should it be its own site? 2. If there should, are the rules as posted satisfactory? What would you add, remove or change from them? 3. How should enforcement be handled? We've been pretty hands-off recently... should we do more to corral certain types of posts? 4. Should there be any limitation on topics discussed? Anything we should simply not discuss at all? 5. How has SoxTalk performed with handling this forum? What can we do better? What do we already do well? 6. Are there any "soft" measures we could take to improve things? By soft, we mean not suspensions and bans and the like, but smaller measures. Your input is important here, as we look to decide where to go with this forum. How people respond will have a strong bearing on the decisions made. So please discuss (and remember, NOT about individual posters). We thank you for your support. 1. Sure, I see no reason to remove it. 2. I dont care for rules. So whatever you guys feel is fine. 3. I like hands off. 4. No limits. 5. Better than most sites. 6. I dont know, I dont really have any issues with this forum.

Here is Bo's version: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball...ential-transfer I personally think these are the most interesting parts: The second part really stands out. Uthoff wouldnt even meet face to face with Bo, yet he has people trashing Wisconsin in the newspaper. Come on now.

Heads, What appears happened is that Uthoff brought it the wrong person (an athletic director not the compliance director). He didnt deliver it to the compliance director, but Wisconsin is going to have a meeting with Uthoff on Thursday because he did give them a notice so they are going to honor it. As for ISU, no one is sure what is going on. I cant see why Wisconsin wouldnt want ISU to get better at the detriment of Iowa, but it probably is because Hoiberg has been really successful at the transfer game. Right now this seems like a lot of nonsense over Big 10 restrictions. I assume that if Uthoff had said he was fine with the Big 10 restrictions but wanted to visit ISU, Wisconsin may have let him. But I just cant see Wisconsin releasing him to play under scholarship at Indiana or Iowa (the 2 big 10 schools he is appealing on.) I think Uthoff should have let the appeal process play out, instead of fighting the battle in the press.

Uthoff can transfer to Iowa right now if he wants to pay his own way. How is Chambliss related at all? Iowa wanted Brust to be able to get a scholarship to the Big 10. http://www.thehawkeye.com/story/BKC-roundup-042310 Under Big Ten rules, a player can transfer to another school, but cannot receive a scholarship unless the player receives a waiver from the conference. Iowa supported Brust's appeal request. So yes, if Uthoff wants he can go JC route and then go to any school he wants. If Uthoff wants he can pay his way to any school he wants. What Uthoff cant do, is force Wisconsin to release him from his scholarship with 0 restrictions. As shown previously, Tulsa is allegedly restricting a player to all but 3 schools, yet Wisconsin is getting press. For whatever reason Uthoff wants to make this an ordeal, its not going to get him anywhere, thats my opinion.