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QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 10:26 PM) For laptops and tablets, you have a point. And that's if the extra $500 you pay for a Macbook actually benefits you. But for something like a cell phone, we're talking about possibly $1000 over the lifetime of your contract. I imagine you guys pay upwards of $100 monthly for your iPhone plan on whatever service you have. I pay half of that for a fully unlimited plan and I didn't have to spend $700 on an unlocked iPhone to do it. And money is an issue. There's a high school kid in my neighborhood that's asked me about laptop advice numerous times. He wants a Macbook. His reason? Cause it looks cool and sexy and it just "feels good". I keep telling him that unless you have $1200 to cough up, good luck convincing your parents. I don't have a Macbook, because they are too expensive for what you get in return. While the new retina macbook may have a slightly better argument since it's now sporting a best in class screen, I still wouldn't buy one. The same applies to Mac Pro's. While they're beautifully designed powerhouse towers, they are also 2-3x the cost of what they should be based on the hardware within, and a tower is much easier to design than an all-in-one alternative. Top end iMac's, however, are surprisingly hard to price compete against for a similarly specced/built system of similar quality. Speccing out a monster truck sized Dell doesn't cut it for comparison, either. Try speccing out a similar all-in-one Dell or similar alternative while keeping in mind that the iMac's screen is 27" and runs at a native resolution of 2560x1440, and it's a very high quality LCD to boot. For some reason, Apple decided that their higher end iMac's would be more price competitive while their system aren't...and there is no denying that. You can still save a bit of money going elsewhere, as with most things Apple related, but the amount you save dwindles quickly when you compare actual build quality. IMO, iMacs are awesome all-in-one desktops, and no other all-in-one comes close to them in terms of build quality. And for the record, Windows 7 is the best OS Microsoft ever released, surpassing Windows XPsp2. Oh, the biggest rip off at Apple is buying ram from them. So long as you can add your own ram, never *ever* buy memory from Apple.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 12:31 AM) Which is why I heavily rely on reviews when I research a product to buy. The reviews on the Zune HD were GLOWING. And they were right. When the ZuneHD made it's debut, it was arguably the best music player on the market.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 11:12 PM) Not sure why you are pretending a Zune HD ISN'T a fantastic device. It's awesome. I also don't understand why you act as if I am a Zune fanboy or something. I never owned any previous models. In fact, I was actually a huge fan of Creative until they started making more tablet-like Mp3 players. I had a Creative Zen Touch, and then a Creative Vision: M. Both great devices, both still work. I even installed some user-created GUI on the Vision, and gave it a Super Mario theme, it was really dope. So yeah, you can pretty much ditch that narrative.... The ZundHD was a fantastic device. It was also just a music player like an iPod. While fantastic, they don't really do much other than play music. Also, the key word is WAS. The Commodore 64 WAS a fantastic device, too. Compared to what exists today, it's not anymore.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) I can't remember the last time someone not named me or y2hh got suspended back here, and that was for a series of f*** yous. Every time I've been suspended I knew it was going to happen before I clicked submit the final time.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 09:26 PM) We all know Y2HH is really an Apple fanboy, he just acts like he's unbiased. That's simply not true, though. Since I own 2 iMacs, 1 Lenovo Laptop, 1 Dell XPS Laptop, I use a Lenovo Desktop at work running XP, and a BlackBerry Bold, too. My iMac is set up to dual boot, one partition is OSX 10.8, the other is Windows 7 Ultimate x64. The fact is we are in the TCP era of computing, so it really doesn't matter what your OS is, it communicates just the same, so long as it can do what you want/need it to do. At the moment, I feel Apple stuff is the easiest, so it's what I use for primary function...but I'm indifferent for the most part. Not many Apple fanboys use Chrome and Gmail, but I do because I don't think Safari or Apple email alternatives come close.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 07:11 PM) Yeah, I figured, but I was sparing us all from Joe's response. Joe is an Apple hater, even if he denies it. What he's ignoring is every technology sector has those same types of rabid fans, often called "fanbois". Doesn't matter if it's Microsoft, Google or Apple...they all have their fair share. There are Playstation fans, and 360 fans, iPhone fans, and Android fans...and Windows Mobile 7 "fan". Note there is no S there, because Microsoft only has one. Apple fanbois have simply had a longer time in the spotlight and are more well known...but that doesn't mean the other factions don't exist. It also doesn't mean every user is like that, because they aren't. A good friend of mine is just like that, but my friend admits it openly. It's ok to be that blatant about it...but when you are, you have to realize your reputation in technology discussions is crushed and your word means nothing unless you outright admit your bias, so people know what to take with a grain of salt and what to take seriously.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 07:09 PM) That is a 2g phone that is cracked to all hell, troller. You're not supposed to respond...like I didn't. He was doing it on purpose.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 07:02 PM) I didn't see what you said? If it's a trolling battle you want, it's a trolling battle you'll get. It's too late. You've already been caught, brought to the taxidermist, and mounted above my fireplace.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 07:02 PM) I didn't see what you said? If it's a trolling battle you want, it's a trolling battle you'll get. Scroll up.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:59 PM) Verizon iPhone 4: http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Apple-iPhone-4-16G...mpt=Cell_Phones Used from $170. AT&T iPhone 4: http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Apple-iPhone-4-16G...mpt=Cell_Phones Used from $240. There is a difference. May not be as high as the difference for other phones, but a still a noticeable difference. Why, after you asked if I'm trolling you, and I all but said yes, did you allow me to continue doing it?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:57 PM) I never said they had better re-sale value than the iPhone. You were the one who said you can get $200-$400 for a 2 year old Apple device and I gave you an example of something that isn't an Apple and can get you somewhere around the $200 for re-sale value. So long as it's on the right (wrong) network. GSM = AT&T...and as a long time user of AT&T...I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:51 PM) It clearly said Sprint in the title and the description said it had a clean ESN. Thus, CDMA and worth a lot less. The seller also dropped it and it cracked. So the resale value of that is literally nothing. CDMA doesn't seem to have an effect on iPhone prices, though.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) Do you ever use eBay? There's 2 days left on that auction. That's nowhere near the final price. You better not be trollin' me. But you make it so easy.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:48 PM) You do know CDMA phones cost substantially less unlocked than GSM ones right? You also forgot to mention that the glass is cracked on that one. Spoke too early. The 20$ one I posted is GSM.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:46 PM) http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Samsung-Google-Nex...mpt=Cell_Phones Say what? Looks like used for $200+. You also posted a link for a NEW Nexus S. LOL. The used ones are going for as low as 20 bucks. But nice try.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:46 PM) http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Samsung-Google-Nex...mpt=Cell_Phones Say what? Looks like used for $200+. http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-Samsung-Googl...5#ht_500wt_1100 Sorry. Oh, and you asked say what? What. Owned.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:43 PM) That's the re-sale value for most smart phones now anyways. Apple's really set the bar for carrier subsidies. New unlocked Android phones come out costing $600-$700 as well. I sold my Nexus S for $300 and that's almost a 2 year old phone. Granted, I hadn't used it for two years. No, that's not the re-sale value for most smart phones. Maybe new ones. Like a Galaxy S2 that's less than a year old. But you can get that much for a iPhone 3gs or a 4. Not a 4s. A 4. There are used Nexus S phones going for 20$ on ebay right now, with 100$ buyouts.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) Unlocked iPhones do cost $800...lol. That's an advantage when you upgrade. It's nice being able to sell my 2 year old device for 200-400$.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) iPhones are probably the most obvious device of people trying to have a certain image that I can think of. Yeah, driving around a BMW or Mercedes does it too, but the cheaper way to look cool is to get an iPhone. It's the epitome me, "everyone else has one, I need to one too!". There are some people out there that would love a $800 price tag, that way it can be more exclusive and people will know you must have a lot of money if you can afford to get one. Suuuuuuch a status symbol and fashion accessory, it's sickening. I actually had a whole post written out...but decided to delete it...because why bother.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 09:24 AM) Way too many 9's, at least for this country. The "Innocence project" alone has in the past few years freed enough people that you can't go past 99.9999%, (292/310 million). And that's 1 group, looking only at felony convictionss. I don't think his point was to be exact.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 09:16 AM) From a believer but not necessarily a practicing Christian, being Christian in today's society, especially in the sub-35 year old age group, is equated to being a gay-hating, science-denying redneck. The liberals have absolutely won that fight, and there's really no debate about it. I think that was Greg's point. And no, you're saying more than "you cannot use the U.S. government to enforce your religious beliefs." The whole point of this thread is an owner of a private company having a religious belief that you don't agree with. And he's been raked over the coals for that belief. So don't give me this crap about it just being about people who believe AND use the government to enforce those beliefs. You obviously have a right do disagree with him and criticize him, but his Christian beliefs are absolutely under attack here. As is his business, and in some cases, organized by those in political positions.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 09:15 AM) I don't think there is any doubt he did it, regardless of the outcome of trial. But, whether he is found guilty or not I can't say. Also on another point usually the "innocent" people that go to jail for crimes they didn't commit are career criminals in the first place and put themselves in a position to be a suspect. Not that it is ok for anyone to serve time for a crime they didn't do, but if you live a law abiding life you aren't going to be put in that situation 99.99999999% of the time. I agree.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 08:55 AM) Why don't you go ahead and explain that all to the family members of his last 2 wives. If he did it, you mean. Nothing like giving him the fair trial we promise. Not to say I believe he's innocent, either...but this is just another case of guilty until proven...guilty?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 08:48 AM) You're right. My bad. There really is no evidence at all that you may have that opinion. I have no idea where I came up with that.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 01:15 AM) With the economy turndown I encounter more people at the local grocery store using the link card. I also have run into lots of abuse. Take tonight for example. Woman in her 30's buys 80 dollars worth of groceries on the link card. Then has a seperate transaction for 120 dollars of alcohol. Walks about the front then gets into a brand new 2012 Audi A4. Leave the assistance for those who need it. You want more examples of abuse? That's easy. Take almost any given family in China Town. 1 person in the family owns the house, the restaurant, etc...and the rest of them are on public assistance...link cards, food stamps, etc. Now, guess what they fund the restaurant with? Ever see them buying 50 cases of soda on a link card? Or 150 heads of lettuce? Guess where that's going. Abuse isn't hard to find if you actually want to find it. People just like to pretend it is. To add an edit, because it's what I do: It's really a shame that abuse like this exists, whatever the example may be. Because these programs have great intentions in mind to help those that actually need it, only it's ruined by those that don't need it taking advantage of the system...people that abuse these programs annoy me to no end. They take what would be a helping hand to those in need and turn it into a crushing burden on the tax payers. TL;DR, f*** anyone that abuses these programs.