fathom

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:43 AM) Exactly. Most people seem to not understand how much of an upgrade he is. Cespedes has become Mike Trout on here

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:41 AM) Ah, didn't realize you were referring to last year. I was wondering if I missed when the Sox tried to get Shark back, haha. I'm with you - I don't understand not making a splash in FA when there is a large sum coming off the books next year + a weak FA class in 2017. Unless the Sox are thinking about blowing it up next offseason if they fail yet again, because the high price tags might be realistic at that point... I'm sure the disasterous 2015 season hurt their 2016 budget

Fowler would have been 2nd on the offense in WAR last year

Moore!

The real issue may be the Sox just aren't high on Cespedes. Also maybe the Sox want a CF to move Eaton to a corner.

Terrible last possession.

One man team. Awesome effort by Butler. Just awful defense by Hinrich down the stretch.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 03:01 AM) Front loading even a contract like that would be something the Sox could do as well, IMO. Sure but if they stick to 3 year limit then Orioles have an advantage

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:54 AM) If the Sox couldn't match or beat an offer like that I would be pretty pissed off. We also don't know if that's a front-loaded Balt offer with early opt-outs

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:19 AM) Hoiberg is trash. The front office should have been fired and Thibs remain. This organization is a f***ing joke. Team just doesn't listen to him it sounds like

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 02:00 AM) Agreed. Haven't there been questions about his projections for 2016 and potential for a regression? I forget which stats but a few people on here have questioned if Cespedes would be able to sustain those stats. His season last year was quite the outlier. I wonder about his focus if he has a long term contract.

I could see Hoiberg back at Iowa St in two years

Mirotic 0-8....what a bad year for him

Just a pathetic week for the Bulls.

Also if Sox offered him this deal we would all say they weren't serious about getting him

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 01:39 AM) I can believe Baltimore is offering 5 years but I think Crasnick is way off on the dollar amount. That proposed offer is in the range of what Gordon got and Cespedes should get more than that. Unless the offer is for 3/4 years 75-90M range, that would make more sense. Crasnick's numbers don't jive that's for sure. There's no doubt in my mind if he takes something like 5/80, it tells me teams had red flags about how he'll perform going forward

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 15, 2016 -> 12:39 AM) I can believe Baltimore is offering 5 years but I think Crasnick is way off on the dollar amount. That proposed offer is in the range of what Gordon got and Cespedes should get more than that. Unless the offer is for 3/4 years 75-90M range, that would make more sense. Crasnick's numbers don't jive that's for sure. I could be wrong, but this seems like a push to get Davis to decide

He had no power last year. Pass

Anyone ever think there might be a reason so many teams only want him on short deal?

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 10:51 PM) I'm just hoping one way or another, he signs soon so we know what the hell is going on. I would give up hope from the Sox standpoint. When's the last time they were even linked to him?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 11:37 PM) That's just a projection though? I'm sure he had a negative projection last year given from past history. Players can outplay projections. Fowler went from the gigantic outfields of Houston and Colorado to a much easier CF in Chicago. Same would hold true at the Cell

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) Look at his 2016 Steamer projection http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF Every steamer projection I've seen for players projects a lower than usual defensive rating.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 11:34 PM) This. It's now or never as far as I'm concerned. Or what if they do spend a lot, Cespedes tanks, and then they have no money for upgrades for the next 3 years?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) If there was ever going to be a time for the White Sox to spend big on a free agent...it's here and now. If not now, when exactly? When they have a roster that's not already at their set budget level. Also, maybe when there's a superstar available for them. Cespedes is absolutely not a superstar.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 11:01 PM) I don't want to hear anymore about building for the future if they make an incremental upgrade in Fowler and lose another $10-12 million in terms of the projected short and long term value of that pick. That means you're actually dedicating $48-62 million to Fowler on a three year contract. Gigantic difference between actual money and projected money with draft pick value included, especially for a team without a huge payroll