fathom

Q picking up where he left off in that KC game by struggling with his control. Bad vibe to this game right now.

One batter, one bad defensive play by the Sox

Please don't pitch Matt Thornton tonight

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) Justin upton has been claimed by an unidentified team per baseball reference, farmio said something last night about making a move.... Hmmmmm What exactly did he say?

I read elsewhere that Reed didn't start warming up until Veal was brought into the game. If that's the case, then Ventura/Cooper should have stalled a bit before bringing in Reed.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 04:53 AM) But then that would make the argument it was actually a catch relevant again, because the out on the basepaths and the catch being the 2nd/3rd out. Didn't even pay attention to what was going on with anyone besides Wise at 2nd, though. Very smart observation by Wedge there...he never has been in that "intellectual" category of managers like Scioscia, LaRussa, Maddon, etc. If they ruled it a catch, PK would have been ruled out and Youk wouldn't have been regardless of whether or not PK passed him.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 03:41 AM) Wise scores on pure awesome Funny that he went against conventional baseball teachings by not tagging up with no outs but then he was tagging when there was one out.

DJ supposedly thought that Wedge was arguing that PK passed Youk on the bases. However, according to this article I found, Wise would still be allowed to score even if that happened as PK would be called out for out #2. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/da.../1#.UDhKydZlSOg

Give credit to the Sox hitters though, as the Mariners closer has great stuff and they were all over him tonight.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 03:34 AM) I just dont think Humber has earned the trust this season to get the benefit of the doubt after he gives up a homer and then a walk. I'm most disappointed in reed and the pitch calling. He was killing the Yankees with the straight change and he tries to blow away Jaso with three straight fastballs. Mind boggling The first time Reed faced Jaso this season, he gassed him with the high fastball to strike him out. The next time, they tried the same pitch and he ripped a double. Obviously, the Sox scouting report is to throw him high fastballs. I also think AJ was worried about Reed's change-up being bad tonight, as Seager crushed the only change-up he threw near the plate. I do wish Reed could throw his slider to lefties a little more effectively.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 03:31 AM) How much time is simultaneously or immediately following? It's a judgement call, still. It happened so fast in real time, but if you slow it down on a video....could go either way. Just like in the NFL, if the RF was a wide receiver and he held the ball that long and then got hit, would it be a fumble or an incompletion? If there were two outs when PK hit it, then the call by the umpire would have been even more important. Not a chance they could call that a catch. Didn't Wise have a single against the Blue Jays in similar fashion where Encarnacion dropped it after a few seconds?

Put it this way...I checked out a Seattle Mariners message board, and not a single Seattle fan is arguing if it was a catch or not.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 03:25 AM) He had that ball in his glove for a good 2-3 steps before the collision (just watched the replay 2-3 times). It won't be overturned, but it was a catch IMO. DEPENDS on the definition of "immediately following." Two or three strides with the ball, to me, isn't immediately following or simultaneously. If you think about the catch in the context of someone running into the gap to catch a line drive, they could have it in their glove for a few steps and if it comes flying out when they're not trying to transfer it to make a throw, it's definitely going to be ruled a non catch.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 03:25 AM) He had that ball in his glove for a good 2-3 steps before the collision (just watched the replay 2-3 times). It won't be overturned, but it was a catch IMO. Read the rulebook statement I posted. Not a catch.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 04:20 AM) Problem was that there was no way Addy was ready to come in. But what else do you do? I would have let Veal face their 1-2-3 (assuming Wells wasn't used to ph)

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 04:16 AM) It only makes sense that that should have a protest filed. Nah...seemed like Wedge argued for about 5 seconds

According to the MLB rulebook: A CATCH is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or any other part of his uniform in getting possession. It is not a catch, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his contact with the ball, he collides with a player, or with a wall, or if he falls down, and as a result of such collision or falling, drops the ball. It is not a catch if a fielder touches a fly ball which then hits a member of the offensive team or an umpire and then is caught by another defensive player. If the fielder has made the catch and drops the ball while in the act of making a throw following the catch, the ball shall be adjudged to have been caught. In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 04:14 AM) I'm fine with everyone leaving the ballpark tonight before anyone questions what happened or how we won. Well, this call was a lot more accurate than the PK/Angels one

Mariners going to protest this

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 25, 2012 -> 04:12 AM) I dont even...he should have...wtf just happened Thing is, even if they ruled it a catch, Wise could have tagged up and scored.

In order to be a catch, don't you have to show it to the umpire if needed?

Did Wise tag on that anyways?

FRIDAY WALKOFF!

How'd that not go out?

WTF is Wise doing! Two times now he should have got to third.