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Did Jackson suffer at all from Arizona's awful bullpen and inherited runners scoring?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:23 PM) Unless we had a crystal ball with Pods, Vladdy and Aubrey Huff, we'd probably be in an even worse position had we gone with almost any other option out there for DH, because that money for Damon/Matsui (etc.) wouldn't have been available to add Edwin Jackson. is this sarcasm?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:21 PM) He's given up 8 ER in his last 10 starts. and no home runs

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:19 PM) Buying at the deadline is a perfectly fine strategy, especially when there weren't a ton of great fits at the deadline. You guys all talk about Thome, but he isn't exactly a world beater. He'd clearly be a lot better than Kotsay but he still hasn't been that amazing and no one could have even assumed he'd put up the numbers he has thus far this year. Since you brought up Thome, he would be 8th in OPS in the AL if he qualified. For a million dollars, that's pretty amazing.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:11 PM) I still think this team has a shot. Jackson has the ability to be a pretty good pitcher and I feel we have a strong defense and strong bullpen. If the bats are hot at the right time this team could win it all. But I like Danks/Floyd/Jackson more than some. And we all know I am Floyds biggest fan. I think Floyd is one of the best starters in all of baseball. This offense is good enough at home to compete with the big boys, but our offense on the road has been putrid it seems. With the teams we'd likely face in the postseason (NYY, Tampa, Texas), you better be able to score some runs.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:10 PM) The Sox are going to try and get Danks or someone else to sign a deal to keep control of pitchers. Extending Jackson might not be a bad thing. But than again, I tend to like Edwin. Boras would never let Jackson sign an extension if he pitches well for the Sox. He'll test free agency.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:03 PM) "Ozzie Hates Rookies," someone should claim that screen name ASAP. No comment

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:56 PM) Kenny saying on WSW that resigning Dunn in the off-season would be out of the question, payroll issues currently. Wow, that's hard to take seriously after the 8 million dollar addition to next year's payroll that took place yesterday.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:55 PM) But all of a sudden next year, we'll have a system with Mitchell/Thompson/Sale/Viciedo. Those are 4 really high upside guys as your potential top 4 prospects. Add in other guys like Flowers and Danks, who have strong tools and aren't bad guys to have in your top 6 or 7 prospects. I actually think our system might be a little better than some people think, its just two huge injuries really shrunk the depth for this season. Is Danks really a top 10 prospect anymore? Unless he has a strong finish, he's really hurt his stock this season. I also believe Flowers is gone after this season, and will be used as a trade chip.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:52 PM) I do not think it would be the same bulls*** if KW would meet with Oz and Jerry and the three of them decide to dump Kotsay and give ALL the DH time to Viciedo/Teahen (mild yuk) and play Viciedo at third the other days. I think the guy can hit. greg, problem is that even though we'd all like that, the truth is the thought process with Ozzie is almost the total opposite

I don't think it's as much about Viciedo as it is Ozzie's LOVE for Kotsay.

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:49 PM) KW on Score right NOW please share

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:49 PM) Mitchell and Thompson might be hurt, but scouts f***ing love those guys. That's why I said playing though, as those guys are untradeable.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:47 PM) What don't you get? A deeper system and maybe they would've wanted something besides Dayan? Or maybe you could afford to deal Dayan? Dayan is more valuable to us than he would be to other teams because he's just about all we have left. And I'm with guys like fathom. I'm thinking Tyler Flowers isn't quite the prospect we think he is. And more importantly I think the White Sox don't think he's that great a prospect. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see AJP and Castro brought back, and Flowers traded this offseason.

QUOTE (CWSOX45 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) "were the only three names you ever heard about from our side." Reporters don't tour the minor leagues. We have more than just those 3 names. Believe me. do share...outside of Morel and Sale, there's no one playing in our minor leagues right now that has much value at all.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) I'll take a vote. First 10 votes will win. Should I continue defending Ozzie in posts like this or not and just give up? We are in first place. We are 19-1 at home in our last 20 games. Why is Ozzie an idiot? Do you think we just win without his input at all??? Thome did not get universal support on here last year. I love the guy but he did have some faults as well. I do love Jim Thome but we are in first place with a team that shows heart. Our manager is an idiot when it comes to offense? I think the record shows otherwise. And I am all for Viciedo as regular DH. I can't recall Kotsay doing anything in those 20 games to help this team win.

Can I also repeat that I hate Jake Peavy's injury more and more every day!!

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:37 PM) Other teams like Tampa with much deeper systems couldn't get a deal done either. If the Sox system was deeper, then the Nats would ask for the best prospect that we wouldn't wanna trade anyway. Tampa's also in a situation though where they need their main prospects (Jennings, Hellickson) to fill in next season for when they lose some free agents. They didn't really have expendable prospects.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:35 PM) Its over and done with. Crying about it doesnt change it. It would be nice, yes. Ok, it has been said. let it go Ironically, I feel closure about that move today. Just have to hope Viciedo RAKES this weekend.

Let's face it, the best bet for Sox to have a productive DH is for Viciedo to become the everyday starter. However, I give that a 1% chance of happening.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:21 PM) The score said it is dead. Sox offered Jackson and flowers Nats wanted Jackson and viciedo. KW said no. Deal is off. No surprise...Nats had no interest in Flowers after getting Ramos. Hopefully the rumors that KW actually wanted Jackson are true.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:09 PM) Right, like he totally isn't the Guillens kids b****? I can't believe anyone would ever take anything Cowley said as intelligent. Not really sure what your first line means, but I'm of the opinion that both of those individuals are bad at their job.

QUOTE (PlunketChris @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:09 PM) I still like Edwin Jackson as the #5 for this year and next more than I like Hudson. The Sox improved yesterday. We'll see how you feel if we have to trade Danks due to money issues or cannot re-sign Konerko.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) I actually think you hate Ranger more than I hate Cowley, which is saying something. At least with Cowley, no one actually lets him dictate how they feel. It scares me the amount of people that take Rongey's words as intelligent.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:06 PM) I never want to hear "Don't worry, good ol' Kenny will get us what we need at the deadline" ever again. Chris Rongey = fail