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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:10 AM) To me, even if we traded all three of those guys, I could still list out 5 guys that would remain in the system with top 100 prospect value and another 5 guys with the potential to reach that group. And this is before we have a s***ton of selections. I'm so proud of what has gone on since the organization overhauled our system, namely bringing in Buddy Bell That's the thing...a strong farm system for the Sox means more trades for established players. KW has, and always will be, that type of GM. I think it's great, especially with our history of developing players for the big leagues as poor as it is.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:09 AM) about what I thought... to me that says if the Sox and Pads can agree on $$ so I get my 22m, I'll be on the next flight to O'Hare. He isn't coming here, and he won't come here. He'll wait until the offseason then to get traded to the Cubs or Braves.

QUOTE (tommy @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:08 AM) I have a feeling he ends up with the Cubs before deadline. Thanks for the effort Kenny, always trying to compete and that's good, let's do something about the s*** team I had to watch today play the Twins. If he makes the Cubs pick up that option, that would give them like 8 players locked up for that year around 150 mil. Not going to happen.

From espn.com As of right now, this is the best place for us to be. We made that decision for the time being," Peavy said before Thursday night's game against San Francisco.

Can I get a final decision about trademarking Jake p**** on this site? I could have sworn the filter wasn't picking up on it earlier.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:02 AM) I also hope that Kenny and his people do the right job and invest heavily in this draft, especially since many teams will be on budget constraints which means a team with some extra cash to spend could really really benefit by getting a great crop of potential. And for whomever said the 4 guys the Sox sending have a 2% of suceeding I'd call BS. I would be stunned if at least 1 of Richard/poreda didn't make it, let alone whomever the other two guys were. I'll stand by my statement that by the time this deal would have been up, one of Poreda/Richard/Hudson would put up better numbers in the AL than Peavy.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:00 AM) Ya, had they defered some money, things would have been plausible, so basically put the Sox were willing to pick up a pretty significant amount of cash and while they didn't want to pick up the option as is, were willing to make a pretty tremendous compromise. I wonder if this heats up again or if Kenny moves on. My guess is you have to move on but who knows. I'd say there is possibly a small window of time where he might reconsider things if the Pads push hard enough in the next 24 hr's. But it sounds like the family made there decision. I also think if the Sox were in first place, the decision would have been a lot easier. I highly doubt Peavy is going to get super excited over the talks that we have a great farm system and that he was probably more interested in what the Sox were going to do and I'm sure the Sox didn't want to divulge all the info of there plans to Peavy, but maybe they did (I know they did that with Hunter and Dye and it might have bit em in the butt). I'd be shocked if KW ever talks to the Padres about Peavy again. This is a pretty embarrassing public rejection from Peavy.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:58 PM) However, it seems evident the Sox want superstar type players and that is where they will spend the money. No doubt we were interested in Abreu but didn't have the opening and no other guys were out there that truly intrigued the Sox. Although I'm still surprised they didn't dig on Hudson, but hey, Getz isn't the worse guy to gamble on. I expect the Sox to consider CF and the front of the rotation to be the two areas they target the most. Yep, I'm actually excited by the effort KW made today. KW deserves huge kudos for the improvements we've made to our farm system. Let's hope he makes some quality veteran for prospects trades in the coming months, as that's been his biggest downfall as a GM.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:55 PM) Getting Peavy would guarantee that Richard wouldn't be in the rotation and that Contreras and Count would get to fight over 1 spot instead of two. Getting Peavy would guarantee that we have a core starting staff at least 1-3 to build around. Getting Peavy would guarantee that we wouldn't have to score as many runs on any given fifth day. Getting Peavy would guarantee the fans that we're thinking about winning here, not a full rebuild. Getting a guy like that guarantees a lot, don't try to understate the value of proven starting pitching. He hasn't proven anything outside of Petco. Have you watched him pitch the last two years? His velocity is down a few MPH, and his slider doesn't have the tilt it once had. He's thrown a ridiculous amount of pitches his last 6 years...far more than any 27 year should with the torque he puts on his elbow. He's a good pitcher, but people have to stop making him out to be Johan Santana.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:55 PM) That's going to be the rub to this whole thing, if they flat out rejected I can understand it from a future planning POV, but I cannot comprehend why they let it get this far if they weren't willing to accept it or give a reasonable offer. He wasn't going to leave a team he signed a NTC with for exactly what he could get by staying there. No, the Sox were willing to re-work the deal, but Peavy wasn't interested in that, so the Sox flat out rejected the 22 mil option. Sorry for the confusion.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:53 PM) This deal was more for next year, its pretty obvious this year is done. And if Hudson and Poreda keep up their great minor league numbers, then maybe we can make an even better trade in the offseason? Could you imagine how great it would have been to have 15-20 million available for free agents last offseason towards the in?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:50 PM) It sounds like the Sox did in fact try to pick up the option, but they wanted to defer some money to allow that to happen. Pretty fair if you ask me. I heard they flat out rejected it, so it will be interesting to get confirmation.

QUOTE (rangercal @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:48 PM) f*** this season. 70 wins here we come. At least all the prospect lovers in the future sox forum are happy. Question: was Peavy going to solve our situation at 3rd base, where we are getting nothing? Was he going to make Alexei and Getz start hitting, and magically cure Quentin's foot? Even with Peavy, there's no guarantee this was anything more than a 83-84 win team. The Tigers are much improved this season, so it's not like getting Peavy was going to guarantee us anything. I think the prospect lovers should be happy that we have the caliber of players that could land Peavy, and that we have a GM who knows when to cash in the chips at the right time.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:44 PM) it definitely doesn't show that for certain there were people in this thread, as well as numerous beatwriters saying that Peavy would want the option picked up if he had to leave san diego, a place where it's common knowledge across all media outlets that he does NOT want to leave knowing this, how is it that somehow the white sox front office didn't know that would be a deal breaker? this could have all been a ploy that would make peavy look like the bad guy, and "we gave it our best shot" when in fact we didn't i'm not saying we should pick up his 22m option for 2013, i'm saying this shouldn't have even been a discussion between the two teams because OBVIOUSLY peavy wants that option picked up if he leaves sunny so.cal Good post..and it makes you wonder what was going on, especially with rumors that KW is open for business regarding unloading some veterans.

QUOTE (tommy @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) Do we know who the prospects were? Other than CR/AP A few other pitchers, and considering they were PTBNL, I'd have to assume it's likely either Hudson or Carter...or both.

Usually on disappointing days for the White Sox (today qualifies, I'd say), the Cubs almost always win. It's like the baseball gods kicking me when I'm down. Go for the sweep Cards!

QUOTE (tommy @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) I so went to the game... I left off on page 50 something, what's the latest news? Reports are he rejected the trade.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:34 PM) I'm over it. If Hudson was in the trade, I think it's more valuable for the Sox to have him, Richard, and Poreda for next to nothing the next 4 years than having 25% of their payroll invested in one pitcher.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:30 PM) maybe nobody, but the Sox didn't win the WS with an "ace" coming into the season on paper. Not that many guys didn't pitch their career years, but a full 22m is alot to pick up. My main question is why did they even get this far if they weren't willing to pick it up? They knew he was reluctant to go to the AL, as Gammons said he was wary of LAA, Red Sox and NYY last year, so I'm not sure why the Sox thought he would just agree to a team he showed no interest in before for what he can get by sitting in San Diego for as long as he wants. I honestly don't believe JP is an ace if he's in the AL. Also, he seems to struggle a lot against lefties when I watch him pitch, and I think we all know that the AL Central has some great lefty hitters.

I don't think some people are appreciating the package that KW was willing to send, along with taking on a big financial situation. If he keeps up this mentality, we should see a stud or two wind up in Chicago.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:26 PM) Next question, who are some of those 26-28 year old starters that might be out there as options? Dan Haren, Oswalt (a little older, but could be available)

QUOTE (onedude @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:45 PM) is it wrong to wish injury on a player? Out loud, yes....privately, I hope he stays very healthy

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) They simply dont have the player to entice the Pads and dont have the money to guarantee him those years. He is SOL. This upcoming offseason possibly?

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:42 PM) its possible....either way the guy is a p**** for not wanting to play in the AL...sack up...if you are the best of the best you should prove it I received 8 texts from Cubs fans in the last 5 minutes.

QUOTE (qwerty @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:41 PM) Blessing in disguise. Couldn't agree more...now let's see what else KW has planned.