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Really, Fields in the 2nd spot again? Why not give that spot to Alexei to see if that can get him going.

QUOTE (watchtower41 @ May 19, 2009 -> 08:35 PM) Let's not get crazy... it's not like he was sent to AA. Still only a DL stint away from returning. Hopefully he'll have enough eligibilty to garner ROY votes by the end of the season Yep...horror movies have taught us that the bad guy is never "dead" after the initial incident.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ May 19, 2009 -> 07:19 PM) He's starting today with Pods in LF. Obviously CQ being out puts this question on hold for a while. Ugh, Quentin's foot injury doesn't seem to be healing.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 19, 2009 -> 07:16 PM) It's good to see Brian back and if we can get some folks healthy maybe it will help the team start winning It's good to see one less excuse for this team.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 19, 2009 -> 07:06 PM) Which means like I just said in the other thread, this means at least one DL trip. And a hell of a lot of triples for the opposition.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 19, 2009 -> 05:25 PM) I disagree, his drop down 2-seamer in 05-06 was one of his best pitches and he threw it because it was unhittable, not because he wasnt healthy. Yep, he was throwing it 96 mph and the hitter could do nothing with it but hit it right to Crede. He was basically a two pitch pitcher, and he didn't care if the hitter knew what was coming.

Just like how Hudson did good against Jason Heyward.

Hudson's numbers really remind me of McCarthy, for some reason. Hudson, in my opinion, is a better pitching prospect than Poreda.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ May 18, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) Bad news for us, Rickie Weeks is out for the year. Yep, that sucks, as he was coming into his own finally. Counsell will get the start now at 2B, but makes a terrible bench that much thinner.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 18, 2009 -> 10:39 PM) I'm just afraid if they dump this year (which the fact that they're only 5.5 out after these 2 weeks makes me think nobody is going to run away with this division) and go young and attendance goes down, the Sox will come in with a ridiculously low payroll and point to the attendance. There's just as good of a chance as a low payroll if we got 78-84.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) They also have some intriguing names. For example, I'd take my chances on Vitters, only problem being the Sox have a ton of 3rd base prospects already. No no, don't trade with the Cubs. Their players are so overrated. Also, I think I might have a stroke if I see one of my favorite Sox players of all time closing out a World Series for them (no, I'm not talking about Neal Cotts).

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 09:03 PM) Another name that I left out is AJ. I don't know if he'd have enough value to make it worthwile or not to trade him, but I kind of like keeping him around as he's a firey guy and I think would be good to have around the younger players. Yeah, keep AJP around, as Flowers isn't ready. We have got to do better with our back-up catcher than we have been. It's definitely been a weak link on this team for a while now.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) Oh, I wasn't really saying they would, and your right, Wilson is legit, but thats the type of package that might just work. Like I said, I see Jenks as valuable to the Sox the next 3 years so I want a good offer to get rid of him. Angels don't really have the prospects, otherwise they'd be legit. Royals got lots of guys to like, but I don't know if they'd go for Jenks. I know they have a solid closer but it would be a major f***ing statement move by them. Drays are always an option. Maybe the best bet would be if Mariano Rivera got injured. Of course, there's a team in Chicago that could desperately need a closer if they want to keep Marmol in the 8th inning.

QUOTE (Cali @ May 18, 2009 -> 09:01 PM) The sooner the rebuilding, the better. f*** arbitration clocks, that is bush league Exactly, if a hitter gets 2 hits in a game or a pitcher strikes someone out, we'll offer a 4 yr, 16 mil contract.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:58 PM) Danks and Floyd will be fine, Buehrle too, add a veteran via FA (1 or 2 year deal) and your in business, imo. Plus if you get one in a trade or something, even better. Thats just fine of a rotation, especially in the AL f***ING CENTRAL. Here's the thing...the Sox obviously don't have a tendency of having players come up from their minors and contribute right away. If you're counting on Beckham, Poreda, Allen next year, it's probably going to be a trying season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:56 PM) Oh ya, they are completely unobtainable. Now if they wanted Bobby Jenks, that is the type of name I ask for. For example I'd do Jenks and one of our hitters for a package around Alderson. I think the Giants at least consider it too, depending on what else is out there. Giants wouldn't do that...they have their closer in Brian Wilson (as long as he's not facing Mets). Not really sure what big time teams need a closer right now.

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:53 PM) I just want to know who's going to pitch for this team for the next 3-4 years and allow us to contend. I see nothing but question marks after Buehrle and Danks (and even those guys have relative question marks). Which is why the rebuilding likely would be for two years from now and not aiming at competing next year. Very few teams can blow up their team one year and compete the next season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:48 PM) I should point out Jenks is the one guy that I don't trade unless the other team is offering at least one "special" prospect, ie a high impact potential superstar player. But if you're going all out for rebuilding (which will never happen under KW/Ozzie), why even worry about having Jenks at the end of the game? The biggest thing I've stressed to people about rebuilding is you can't be afraid to lose games. If you're going to rebuild yet hold on to certain players that have the most value, then you're just hurting yourself in the long run. Is KW really going to want to sign Jenks to a 3 year, 30-36 million dollar contract in 2 seasons?

QUOTE (shipps @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:45 PM) Seriously though,how refreshing would it be for KW to do a complete overhaul and go baby young for the rest of this year? And then make some noise in the off season with a couple signings. It's the perfect time, because I truly don't believe the fans will be upset if they blow it up now.

The scary thing about KW having any money to spend this offseason though is that he's sure to overpay for Chone.

If you get anyone to take Konerko's contract off our hands, you get rid of him. He's playing well this year, but in this market, he's severely overpaid. I like your idea of promoting Poreda, and a good spot could be as a lefty set-up man in case Jenks is traded (and Thornton moves to the closing spot). I wonder if a team like the Dodgers could be interested in Dotel or Linebrink, as their set-up men stink.

I would love to know the OBP for the #9 hitter against the Sox pitchers this year compared to our #9 hitter.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:10 PM) Wait... you aren't in full anti-Cubs mode now? You have like half the posts in the Cubs thread. This does suck right now though, no argument there. Yeah, what happened to people staying out of that thread that had nothing to add to the conversation? Poor justwin. There's a difference between posting about the game as it's going on compared to being happier when the Cubs lose than if the Sox win though.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:10 PM) You guys are throwing the words "fire" and "passion" around way too much. Its about production not if Fields has a passion filled SO. When a team sucks it looks like the dont care but that is rarely the case. When a team consistently comes out in the first inning and goes 1-2-3, it makes you question their focus.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2009 -> 08:08 PM) And he's a garbage player. I don't care what his OPS says. If you hit under .250 you pretty much suck in my book. Sure he'll hit some doubles and can play average defense at multiple positions and draw some walks, but as a whole, he's not a good baseball player. I think he would be a good fit in the NL, but you put a team full of Swishers and they'll be a very very bad f***ing offensive team and thats why OPS + and all that OPS stuff can piss off at times. Shouldn't the argument not be about Swisher, but about the fact the package we received for him was such garbage? I have no problem with the Sox trading him, as Ozzie and company obviously didn't gel with his style.