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QUOTE(Wealz @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:21 AM) Again, if Riske can't be trusted to get an out in the 6th inning, he should not be on the roster. Your problem is with Kenny Williams. KW did as good a job as he possibly could with this bullpen AFTER what we started off with. It's not his fault that Ozzie keeps using Cotts in close games. FWIW, I have a much bigger issue with bringing Cotts in than I did Riske.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:20 AM) The way we should approach him for a game. Is to try and take his fastball into right. If you do happen to get the change, with you trying to hit the ball to right you may stay back enough on the change to put it in play fair. Just going up there confused and looking for a pitch to park is not a way to beat this guy. Other teams have put runs up against this guy, he is not superman. I couldnt help myself. I always enjoy Konerko's ABs against Santana. BTW, the more I watch Gload bat, the more I'm convinced we've wasted his abilities this year. Considering how bad Pods is defensively, there's no way Gload can be worse than him out there. I'm 100 pct sure that Gload has more infield hits than Pods this season in 1/4 of the ABs. QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:21 AM) Does anyone think 20 wins in the last 34 is possible for this team? That's what it's going to take to get into the playoffs, at least. Not if the Twins have a rotation of Santana....and pray for rain. I'm calling this right now...Sunday is the turning point of our season one way or another.

QUOTE(cgaudin @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:18 AM) We got no chance tomorrow, but they still have to play the game. Hope for Santana to sprain his wrist while he's shaving or something. We got no clue how to hit this guy. If you're feeling down or gloom....just keep this in mind: we're one game closer to hopefully seeing the end of the Pods and Garcia era.

I love when Rongey starts talking about confidence, and that's his answer to every question.

We have one of the best overall offenses in baseball. He's not going anywhere. He's the one coach who actually should believe he's done a good job. Ozzie, Cora, Cooper, and Raines have underachieved big time.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:12 AM) First off, where do you get your information that Riske is horrible in "close situations"? Second it was the 6th inning. I'm trying to confirm the stat, but someone said he had no holds for the Indians last year. And with 10 outs to go in the game, that's a huge situation.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:12 AM) This I wouldn't mind seeing from now on. Kind of like Barcelowe (haw haw Barcelo + Lowe I am funny) when Manuel was managing. Vazcarthy sounds good to boot. Barcelowe was a great combination. Thanks for bringing that up...good memories.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:11 AM) We should handle Javy just like we handled El Duque down the stretch run. The minute he shows one crack, bmac comes in the game. He is the bridge to the back end of the pen. The funny thing is that we should all stop requesting McCarthy. When Ozzie said that stuff about him not being Cy Young, it was very telling about how he views him. My personal opinion is that if it was up to Ozzie, McCarthy would have been traded at the deadline for one of his golfing buddies.

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:07 AM) I don't get to watch as many as I'd like, but I listen to all of them. I don't have to watch them to understand that hindsight Ozzie bashing will occur. He had Vazquez on a short leash and the players that he brought in should have got the job done. That's what they get paid for. He didn't overtax anybody and they should be ready for near future games. Asking Cotts and Riske to retire a batter is not asking as much as Guerrier to go 3 innings and Crain 2. The Twins beat the Sox. Their players performed better in the clutch. for just once I would like to hear the players take the heat for their on field performances. Last year Ozzie kept pulling a rabbit out of the hat. I guess he was completely lucky and his true idiocy has finally got the better of him this year. Give me a break. 2 teams are trying to win these games. Their players pulled it out. So Ozzie pulled a rabbit out of his hat last year, but the Twins players won the game tonight? I know Ozzie gets too much of the blame on here, but tonight was as bad as I've ever seen.

QUOTE(chisox72 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:07 AM) I can't even listen to the score anymore....Rongey is a tremendous homer-iffic tool..... I said this after listening to the pregame show tonight. It's insulting to listen to.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:05 AM) Why are Riske and Cotts on the roster then? Riske has been solid, btw, and you're acting like he's Cliff Pollitte. Riske is a horrible pitcher in close situations. Cotts shouldn't be in unless it's mop-up duty right now.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:02 AM) I thought they looked flat after the Twins came back and tied it. THAT is when you really have to sack up, show your fire and do what it takes to win. Instead, they rolled over. They've been rolling over a lot since the ASB. The Sox got beaten by a team that simply wants it more, and plays like it. We lost all the momentum the second Gload was thrown out at home. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:05 AM) I don't care, ban my ass. I don't care if I'm banned for not allowing people to call 3 run homers by great players luck, when it was off one of our inferior pitchers. If you think your internet threats are going to shut me up, then uhh no. My advice....go find yourself something indecent to do tonight.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:02 AM) And lose to Johan, and then get swept on Sunday since Mark Buehrle forgot how to pitch. Our season just might have died because of our manager, and people STILL love him. 2005 is OVER. Let them love him...why does it matter to you if not everyone agrees with what you say? It's not like you don't have some people on here on your side anyways.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:01 AM) You don't burn Thornton in the 6th when you know Mauer and Moreneau are going to have another AB. The worst Moreneau could have done in that situation was tie the game. Tie game in the 6th - big deal. Sorry, but against a team with an amazing bullpen like the Twins, you go for the freaking win in that situation. Even Ozzie himself said he's nervous about them having Nathan at the end of the game. You win the game tonight, and then you worry about the bullpen tomorrow. It's not like I'm saying we should have used Jenks for 3 innings, etc.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 04:00 AM) Ban my ass, I don't care. I'm tired of people defending things that aren't even close to being controversial. It's fine if they disagree....you know the rules, show a little more class. We're all pissed the Sox lost...but they'll play again tomorrow.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:59 AM) Has Ozzie FINALLY figured out that his team is sleep walking and playing with no intensity and no fire? How could it have taken him this long? Is he going to do anything about it? I think if he knew how to motivate them, he would have done so by now. He's pathetic. Well, that starts with our "catalyst", and he's busy sleepwalking in LF. I would love to see how this team can do in a series with Mack leading off in LF and Anderson in CF.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:58 AM) Yeah, I was once of the first members on this board, have poured hours into SoxTalk/FutureSox, and I'm an idiot for disagreeing with you. God forbid someone else thinks otherwise of you, the guy who believe the season is over with 30+ games left. Good job with the personal attack and the spelling too, duders. Yep, there's no reason for his personal attack. I even advised him earlier to try and discuss things instead of not accepting other's viewpoints.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:58 AM) I only listened to the end of the game, but I saw that Mack started in center again. I think thats three times in the past week. How bad was the Cora play? Was it as bad as sending AJ home against Texas? No, but it definitely changed the momentum in a game where Radke had nothing.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:57 AM) Basically saying that they came here to kick our ass and they look more determined. Mentioning how all their players were up on the rail rooting each other on, etc. That's pathetic if our manager has to say that.

Here's a solution: just pull Vazquez after the 5th inning if the outcome is still in doubt.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:53 AM) Cotts should be replaced on the roster if he can't be used in the 6th to get a lefty out. That's a GM problem. Would you have preffered MacDougal & Jenks pitch the last 3.1 innings? That's a great way to burn out your pen before September. For those 10 outs, there's no doubt in my mind we had a better chance to win if we would have just used our big 3. I would have sacrificed my bullpen for tomorrow in order to give ourselves the best chance to win tonight. We still have this solid pitcher named McCarthy in the bullpen....but Ozzie doesn't like him.

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:48 AM) I don't think Ozzie can win with some people here. He pulls Vazquez in the 6th, like most of you want to do. You can't bring in Thornton or MacDougal in the 6th. You didn't see Gardenhire bringing in Rincon or Reyes that early. Blame Cotts and Riske for being garbage. You absolutely could have brought in Thornton or MacDougal in that situation.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:51 AM) 1. Cora shouldnt be waving anybody in that situation unless he is darn near %100 especially with less than 2 outs. 2. OZ shoulve definitely pulled JV after the 5th no questions asked. 3. OZ shoulda made Jenks pitch 9th...you make them beat your best...especially in a nonsave situation. other than that "what new?" Pods should have never been allowed to face a lefty in the 6th inning with 2 men on.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:51 AM) Did Ozzie dive across the plate for a ball clearly outside and poke a three-run homer for Minnesota? Did he hit the hanging slider from MacDougal when the best the Twins could do against Mac's fastball were bleeders back up the middle? Jesus, shut up already and credit this loss to absolute lack of luck. Lack of luck? You have to create your luck...how come we never get any luck against Joe Nathan? You bring up a good point about the terrible pitch selection against Bartlett. AJP has been brutal with pitch selection this year, and I'm one of his biggest fans. QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:52 AM) Except of course this idiot reached way into the field of play and banged into Morneau. Wait until he's close to the stands before you go after him. He turned a difficult play for Morneau into an out. Gee thanks, idiot fan for making out #27. Seriously, that guy doesn't deserve any blame.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 26, 2006 -> 03:49 AM) McCarthy is on the team still yes. I guess pure luck is a hitter with 2 strikes taking the ball to right. That has never happened before with the twins. They never hit oppo with 2 strikes. That wasn't pure luck....Hunter had a great approach that AB, and he didn't try to pull the ball to LF. I don't know how Riske gets guys out this year, as his stuff is rather bland (88 mph high fastball and average offspeed pitches).