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So we won't trade McCarthy for Crawford or Rocco, but we'll trade him for two pitching prospects from a terrible organization at developing pitchers? What in the world is KW planning to do with our rotation in 2008?

KW better have some other move in mind to either drastically upgrade our outfield or acquire another starting pitcher.

I hate Ozzie Guillen. What a disasterous trade. I hope everyone that loves prospects is happy.

I was actually told a few days ago that scout.com is a horrific site for baseball, and there so-called "experts" are not to be trusted. With that in mind, this proposed trade of 3 big Toronto chips for Penny is laughable.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 10:08 PM) Because wells>Rios. I dont ever think Rios will be close to the player that Wells is IMO. Rios showed huge improvements last year, and he's one of the few young guys in the majors who legitimately have five tools. I was very impressed with how the ball jumped off of his bat last year. You're right though, trading a starter away would leave too much of a gaping hole.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 09:48 PM) Thats not correct, it was rumored they would offer Millege and Heilman for Rios and another top prospect from the Jays. No matter who that other prospect is from Toronto, the Mets package is a hell of a lot more than what some people on here think we could offer for Rios. Once the Wells contract rumors started, there was some talk that Toronto might be interested in Vazquez.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 09:35 PM) He isnt worth nearly what Wells was worth, and has really only had about 1 half of a good season. I wouldnt expect top packages for him IMO. Then be prepared to be shocked at what the Jays get offered. There's some speculation that the Mets might offer Lastings and Heilman for him. I wouldn't be stunned if we offered Vazquez and a prospect for Rios.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 08:25 PM) I don't know much either, just saw him do it in ST last year and he played a couple games in OF late this past season. He seems to have some of the skills for it. But I really don't know if he is (or can be) that good. I just think Ozzie and others are pointing him in that general direction. But KW seems to want Terrero to be that guy. Jerry Owens is a well-below average defensive MLB center fielder. From everything I've seen and heard about him, he's not even close to being ready to contribute in the majors offensively or defensively.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 18, 2006 -> 01:56 AM) Very good, plus he hits LHP and has been an everyday player many a time for that minor league team known as the DRays. This is a fantastic deal and we got him for a lot cheaper than I thought (assuming that the 3 mill plus figure is over the course of 2 years, meaning he gets just over 1.5 million a year which is nice. I love this deal because it makes sense. Just like before the 2005 season where we made a few moves that just seemed so logical. That offseason, we didn't have a starting catcher, and AJP was on the market looking for a team. Also, we didn't have a realistic 2nd baseman, and Iguchi was lurking as a FA. This offseason, we desperately needed a back-up catcher who could hit LHP. Hall is a great fit because he's a contact hitter, and that's very important because of the tough LHP we face. We could have spent 3 million more on this deal for him, and I would have been happy.

Think of it this way....Borchard, Baj, and Gload are now Thornton, Cintron, and Sisco. Like I've been saying, these are the deals KW excels at.

Great trade...I like Gload, but as long as PK and Thome are healthy, he's useless on our team. Sisco has a lot of potential, and we just have to get him to slow down out there. Hopefully this means we're going to add another righty hitter off the bench.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) Bye Javy..... That would be fantastic!

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 03:00 AM) That's interesting, because the Cards were the ones insisting that the Schmidt deal wasn't done the first day it was reported because his agent told them they were still in the running. Apparently, they were making quite an offer to him, despite preliminary reports (which proved to be correct) that he had signed with the Dodgers. The Cards knew that they'd have to offer the 4th year in order to get Schmidt to play in the midwest. They weren't willing to do that, as they didn't want the extra year/money on the books.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 02:56 AM) Was that when he was at the majors or when he was hitting in AAA for Ottawa (because he had some pretty nice numbers to finish off the season with in AAA IIRC). It was when he was in Ottawa. He definitely ended up strong, as his numbers were mediocre around the ASB. I just can't imagine him being our 4th outfielder having to face the tough lefties in our division.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 12:34 AM) Isn't it absolutely amazing how Ozzie will go to great lengths, even lose ballgames, in order to get the lefty-righty matchup with his lineup, but then he'll leave Neal Cotts in against a righty who is 3/3 with 3 home runs in his career against him? If you know more than him, then why aren't you the manager of the White Sox?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 12:24 AM) If we move Buehrle and get Humber instead of Pelfrey, get a lower level guy that you think has some upside and Milledge than you got yourself a deal. I don't mind it since Mark will be long gone anyway. KW's philosophy has always been that if you're going into your FA year, and you're not going to sign an extension, he'll look to move you. That's the main reason I was stunned that Garland was the one we were shopping, and not Buehrle. No one appreciates Buehrle more than I do, but it's quite clear he's not coming back here in any way, shape, or form after 2007 unless it's in Interleague play. I was told by someone in the Cards organization that one of the reasons they didn't go all out after Schmidt and Suppan is because they're saving up money for Buehrle after this upcoming season.

It's just too bad KW isn't comfortable when he's the one trading veteran players for prospects.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 15, 2006 -> 12:14 AM) Then no trade. I agree with you, I dont think Pelfrey gets moved, but 3E8 is dead on. We traded one starter. We all knew that was going to happen. Now the Sox could get away with trading another starter if it was a Pelfry/Milledge type package, but thats about it, and Kenny has come out and said that. I'm not going to go dig for the quote, but it was something along the lines of "The only way we trade another starter is if we get two major league pieces back in return" The Sox don't need to trade another starter. They needed to trade one of Garland/Vaz/Garcia, and did that. I've changed my stance, and I want the Sox to trade Buehrle. We could get Lastings and another pitching prospect from the Mets for Mark. There's not a chance in hell we re-sign him after next year, so lets get a marquee outfield prospect for him who has the chance to be a very versatile offensive player I still can't believe thought that KW traded Garcia away without getting someone who he's sure can help us in 2007.

The Mets aren't going to give up Pelfrey. The sooner people realize that, the sooner these proposed trades will be a little more realistic.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 11:42 PM) Like it or not, he might already be here. Yep, like I fear, we won't upgrade our 4th outfield position. I saw Terrero play quite a bit last year, and never did he strike me as a MLB caliber player.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 10:49 PM) Yes, Wilson is a Free Agent, he signed that deal with the Astros and then was cut mid-season, the Cardinals signed him for the rest of the year as a stop-gap measure. Needless to say, I would be happy if we got him. I can't believe we still haven't secured a 4th outfielder after this debacle we saw last season.

I'd love for the Sox to get Lastings. He has that super high ceiling which is a little different from our typical draft picks.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 10:39 PM) Ray King would be nice if he could be his old self, but I'm not sure if that's possible. Greene's splits for RH/LH are basically equal. I'd take a back-up catcher that could hit .250...how's his defense? I thought I remember hearing that Greene is one of the worst throwing catchers in baseball. Is Preston Wilson really a FA? Also, don't be surprised if Erstad is a possibility. KW loves him.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 10:19 PM) That trade is WAY one sided. Come on. I don't even know if the Yanks would give up Cabrera and Hughes for our 3 guys.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 09:41 PM) Standard Soxtalk response: "Hey, it is mid-December. There's lots of time for KW to work his magic." I have a strong feeling that the same people that are saying this now will come up with a new refrain if no significant upgrades have been made by the end of ST. By then it will be, "We didn't need any upgrades. The 2006 team underachieved so we can expect the 2007 to be better with essentially the same players." I'm just amazed that I'm hearing Sox management, as well as fans, state that they don't think Pods ever recovered from his hernia surgery. I guess hernia surgery impacts your vision and arm, as Pods inability to swing at the 3rd strike and his pathetic display in the outfield were two of his biggest issues.