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QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:38 AM) just outa curiosity....how do you know? He lost the hitch in his delivery, which took away his deceptiveness.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:35 AM) I agree that some invest too much confidence in the powers of Coop, but to be fair, the players you listed had problems that had more to do with their head or testicular fortitude. When it comes to mechanical problems though, I generally trust Coop. Neal's problem was all mechanics last year.

Well, this article is downright scary. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines If KW isn't bluffing, things are about to get very ugly. So much for extending the deals on our starters.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:30 AM) Coop watched Cotts pitch all year and apparently couldn't fix him. Buehrle pitched like crap and coop couldn't fix him. This coop thing is blown way out of proportion. Is he the only pitching coach capable of helping pitchers? brutal trade. Arrogance....but at least we'll have Sandy's veteran leadership behind home plate.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:29 AM) Sounds eerily similar to Thornton... or Stephen Randolph.

After hearing how the Sox watched an hour of tape and decided they could fix some of his flaws, it reminds me of this great saying "Don't worry, Coop can fix him".

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:22 AM) No, but Kenny Rogers is going to start declining one day or another, I still don't think Robertson is a good pitcher, who knows how Maroth will come back and Zach Minor is a bum. The only two pitchers I'd have confidence in if I'm a Tigers fan are Bonderman and Verlander. Andrew Miller and Ledezma could be solid.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:17 AM) If the Phils could have picked up Baldelli, Upton or Crawford as is being mentioned here for crap, they would have done so. I'm very dissapointed with Kenny Williams, and this isn't the first time I have been this offeason. Sickening. Why would the Phillies want Baldelli? They needed pitching, and if anything, they're looking to get rid of some outfielders.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:15 AM) Not to mention that the Tigers have gotten considerably better with Sheffield. We seem to be moving laterally, if not slightly forward/backward. I still think the Indians are going to be a major contender next season.

In some ways, it seemed like KW was in panic mode tonight trying to get a deal done after the Schmidt/Lilly signings. On Comcast before, he said there were several intriguing offers, but this was the one he liked the most.

QUOTE(ExpatNYC @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:10 AM) I'm confused by this move. I like the idea of getting two arms for one. But these two? I have to believe KW is going to move one more pitcher. Vazquez? We better not be trading anymore starting pitchers. I'm just very confused about our bullpen....it's arguably weaker now than it was to end last season. We need more depth in the bullpen, as it's crazy to expect MacDougal to stay healthy.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:07 AM) If the Rays traded Cantu, Iwanura could move to 2nd base with Fields coming in at 3rd base, so it'scertainly possible. But it may not even be Rocco Baldelli we're going after. Has anyone thought of the possibility of acquiring B.JUpton to play in the OF instead? Could he be the leadoff hitter we need? I'd rather have Rocco than Upton. Rocco's at least proven he can hit the ball in the majors.

I'll feel much better about this offseason when an improvement is made in either LF or CF.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:02 AM) Then why did you say 92 in the first place? Because that's around the range of his average fastball. You should know better than anyone how scouting services always seem to mention the highest velocity possible, when in reality, the average is a few mph slower. BTW, people might want to close their eyes when they look up Floyd's minor league numbers the last two years.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:59 AM) Sox don't know ANYTHING about power arms. Cough*Jenks*cough*Thornton*cough*MacDougal*cough*Aardsma Obviously I was referring to starting pitchers, and in relation to the starters we're drafting lately. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:00 AM) Heh. Sickels says he touches 95 and sits at 93-94. But I'll trust you, fathom. Didn't you see the BA article I referenced before saying how he tops out at 94, but his velocity drops frequently due to delivery issues?

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:58 AM) The SQL gremlins are back on the board tonight!! Double posts a plenty!! After thinking about it for a bit, I'm not too bothered by the move. I know that watching Freddy Garcia pitch in 2006 resulted in some of the most agonizing baseball viewing that you can go through....a seemingly indifferent attitude from a supposed stud pitcher, never knowing what he was going to give you.....I'll gladly take that $10 mill off the ledger, and spend it on better options. And the one major positive....Brandon McCarthy is going to be in the starting rotation. It will be comical to see Ozzie's leash on him this season.

Considering our scouting, 92 mph with a curve is a power arm.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:46 AM) I'm not a big Gavin Floyd fan but I think he's the type of guy that needs a change of scenery and I'll take Gio over any of the prospects you all talked about aside from Danks/Hurley/Pelfrey so I really am not that dissapointed. Especially because i think we will see Floyd and someone moved for Baldelli. Here's my ideal move: Fields and Floyd for Baldelli, Sox re-sign Crede.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:44 AM) I'm thinking Gavin is going to be in the bullpen as the long reliever: Bobby, Thornton, MacD, Aaaaaaaaardsma, Boone, Gavin. That would be my guess as of right now. Well...if that's true, then KW has failed in improving our bullpen.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:42 AM) Apparently he forgot about the 2-7 hitters on the Sox. Let him be. Our 2-7 is good...it's the other 33 pct that worries me about our offense. We can't go into this season hoping that Dye/Thome/PK produce the way they have, and I'm worried that AJP is on the decline already.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:41 AM) And how many games would Lofton and Floyd actually play for the Cubs? Floyd would play probably 40 games, but Lofton seems to be keeping himself in good shape. Enough about the Cubs though...sorry I brought them up.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:40 AM) Rich Hill still looked upon higher than McCarthy??? Equal I would say. I was actually pleasantly surprised with McCarthy's value over the last month.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:34 AM) Ah, Fathom back with his always over-the-top posts. Spectacular. You learn something every day, though -- apparently Soriano is worth 150 runs. Once the Cubs sign Lofton and Floyd, their lineup is going to be very dangerous in the NL. As long as we have Uribe, Pods, and Anderson still in the lineup, my hopes for the offense aren't high.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:33 AM) I echo that, they can't have a salary dump move after the attendance last year, that would be in horrible faith. Especially with what the Cubs are doing right now.