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Yahoo reports Mets talked to the Sox today about Garcia.

QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) How much do we get from the D-Backs? I thought I heard 3 mil on the radio today.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:54 PM) Not to bring the room down, but it baffles me how personal trainers recommend him working out every day for fours per day. He's gained ten pounds, but there is a good chance that all that exercise will turn into over training and begin to negatively affect McCarthy down the road, specifically late in the season. You never know though...he's still such a young kid, and this seems to be his first serious workout regimen. Obviously by looking at his frame, he really could use it and hopefully it adds to his velocity. Don't worry though...if he hits the wall at the end of the season, many of us will be blaming KW/Ozzie for mishandling him in 2006. Good news about Lester though... I know he's your boy.

Why trade for Rowand when, after another crappy season, he'll be begging for us to sign him to be our 4th outfielder? I think we can survive another season without him.

Nightmare offseason checklist: - Bring back Pods - Bring back Sandy - Trade one of our starters for Rowand

After about 10 minutes to rethink this trade, this might be the worst possible scenario that has been mentioned yet. Not only is the "prospect" we would acquire not very good, but Rowand is a 4th outfielder. I'd rather have McCarthy start the year in AAA than have this trade occur. However, I'm confident in saying this deal won't take place.

QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:01 PM) I would assume that Rowand would move to LF (or BA would), or be the fourth outfielder. If that isn't the case, then the deal isn't nearly as good as my previous thought. You really think Rowand wouldn't be placed in CF, and Anderson shown the door? You know Ozzie better than that, Felix my man!

I'm really beginning to dislike Aaron Rowand.

Madson reminds me of McCarthy in some ways, and that's not necessarily a good thing.

I actually trust that Garcia will magically find his 92 mph fastball again during his FA year. On the other hand, unless the Phillies are offering Rollins, Howard or Hamels, I really hope KW puts down the phone. We can do much better than some crappy 4th outfielder and a medicore pitcher.

BTW, I hope people don't start freaking out if KW doesn't make a move during the meetings. It's better off if he waits until Zito and Schmidt sign.

There's only one problem with the Yanks trade....ARod doesn't want to waive his no-trade clause. It's too bad Ozzie had to open his big mouth last offseason.

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 03:46 PM) I love the upside of Milledge Not straight up for Buehrle though.

Two things: - We're not going to get Wells for just one of our starting pitchers. - Wells is going to get a contract in the 8 year, 140 million dollar range...we can thank the Cubs for this ridiculous market.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 06:10 AM) OK. And why would the Rockies want Jacque Jones? Anyone know? Because Jim Hendry has naked pictures of someone in the Pirates organization. In all honesty, this would be such a horrendous trade by Colorado. Jason Jennings is a damn good pitcher.

On the other hand, this could be KW's way of saying "take it or leave it". It seems more likely now than ever that Garcia, Buehrle, or Vazquez will get traded in the next 2 weeks.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 06:01 AM) Whom might I ask is Paul Maholm? Minor league guy? Pirates LHP starter. Nothing special...especially if they give up Jennings AND Hawpe.

According to ESPN's Steve Phillips, the Rockies, Cubs and Pirates have discussed a three-team trade that would sent Jason Jennings to Chicago; Jacque Jones, Carlos Marmol and Paul Maholm to Colorado and Brad Hawpe to Pittsburgh If this trade really happens, can we conclude that it's a conspiracy by MLB to get the Cubs into the World Series? That would be a ridiculous trade by Colorado.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 01:18 AM) Really? Similar Batters View in Pop-up Compare Stats Jimmy Welsh (940) Happy Felsch (939) Dave Robertson (936) Roy Weatherly (933) Danny Taylor (930) Beau Bell (927) Harry Lumley (920) Dusty Miller (920) Beals Becker (919) Braggo Roth (919) Similar Batters through Age 24 Compare Stats Whitey Lockman (947) Claudell Washington (928) Jake Beckley (922) * HOF Sam Crawford (921) * HOF Carl Yastrzemski (920) * HOF Carlos May (915) Mike Tiernan (914) Jimmy Sheckard (912) Sherry Magee (909) Willie Davis (908) Carlos May? Claudell "Slept here" Washington? Doesn't that list prove exactly what I was saying? That being, there's no guarantee about how good he'll be, but he rates favorably to some tremendous players? And now that you show Yaz on the list, I don't want him. If Hawk ever found that list out, I'd be scared about the stories we'd have to hear every single game.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 01:10 AM) That's quite a reach Numerous progression trackers rate him with many Hall of Famers. I'm not saying he's a lock to be a HOF player, but he has so much potential and he's improving every year. Don't get me wrong, I like McCarthy and I think he can be a good #3 starter. However, if we really have the chance to acquire one of the best young players in baseball, I have no problem trading McCarthy. McCarthy is one bad season away from having his trade value shot.

Am I the only one who would love it if we signed Bonds? Considering some of the other ex-juicers that people want us to trade for, I don't see why so many are upset about his 'roid use. I know it won't happen though, but it's fun to even see it rumored.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 10:54 PM) How many people have wondered what will happen if BMAC totally bombs as a full time starter. That's why I am an advocate for trading him for a potential Hall of Famer in Carl Crawford now, while he still has top value. As much as I liked McCarthy in 2005, he showed me nothing last season. Don't forget this...Ozzie isn't comfortable with McCarthy. Even if he starts for us in 2007, he'll have the tightest leash in history.

QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 09:55 PM) I would prefer to trade Vazquez for Mike Pelfrey, atleast as a core for a trade, Pelfrey has loads of talent and seemed to be breezing through the minors, plus vasquez was never very high in my book Out of all of our starters Javy is the easiest to give up on in my mind, and I believe that we should still do a Garcia for Santana + Aybar core deal, I dont want to trade Crede this year since we have him under control for 2 more years and i believe fields isnt quite ready yet but will be with another year of polishing, plus aybar is crazy talented and they have brandon wood ahead of him so they could be willing to let aybar go---> but we may have to give something else up for that deal to happen since both are highly touted by a lot of teams You're not getting Santana by just giving up Garcia.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) haha seems like cust's name has been thrown out in connectino with the white sox for years....i remember when he was supposed to be dealt for rowand ill always remember him for having the absolute worst base running play ive ever seen with the Os a few years ago.... That play was great....but Ruben Rivera's base running play takes the cake.

Cubs are close to signing Lilly. That's going to be fun to watch when the wind is blowing out at Wrigley.