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QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 08:06 PM) And cue the Chicken Littles now... What was Oz supposed to do there? Our 'pen is completely overused right now because our supposed strength this year is a flat out weakness behind Contreras....not much can be done when we have 5 starters who seem completely lost. Let Cotts finish his mess. There was no reason to put Garland in this game. You have Cotts, Thornton, McCarthy, and Jenks left to pitch at that moment.

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 08:05 PM) no seriously, how does it feel to be 11 back because you started TONY BATISTA and kept liriano in the pen while running kyle fing lohse out there for half the year. I'm pretty sure he's a Sox fan. And instead of taunting Twins fans about Lohse, shouldn't we be thanking them?

BTW...I know there's been some whining about the pitching, but I thank everyone for some good baseball talk in this thread.

QUOTE(rudylaw @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 08:03 PM) Agreed. They are the better team right now. No doubt about it. I sure hope we get a chance to play them in October again. I don't mean this negatively, but it's things like this which really make me appreciate how we won it all last year, when all the chips fell into place. This Red Sox team is so much better than the one we beat last year.

QUOTE(MinnesotaSoxFan @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 08:02 PM) so....how is it gonna feel being 3 games back? About the same as it did the numerous other times we've been in that range this season. We've been hovering around the 2.5 mark for a few months it seems. Hopefully the DRays will help us out tonight. The series at NYY is much more important that this one against the Red Sox.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 08:00 PM) It wasn't a K situation. There's two outs. That's what I'm saying....we needed an out, and one strikeout would have done it. As jphat always says, you can't defend the bloopers. That's why sometimes your pitcher needs to nut up and get the K.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 08:00 PM) I'd throw Cotts in there for the most part. Yeah, I was actually going to include him, but he has the shortest leash on the team.

Great managing Ozzie!!

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:58 PM) I actually agree with what McCarver said. Jon did what he was supposed to. That's just tough luck that it was right in between Cintron and Iguchi. I'm telling you, outside of Jenks, our pitchers can't get that big strikeout to end the inning before any runs are allowed. It's pathetic the amount of hits we're allowing with 2 strikes.

This is another example of why Politte needs to be released. If he can't be counted on to pitch in this game, then get him the f*** off of the team.

Ha...brilliant idea to bring in a starter out of the pen, especially someone who can't get a K in a K situation. If you're going to let Cotts allow 2 righties to reach base before the batter, keep him in the f***ing game.

QUOTE(BFirebird @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:53 PM) The funny part is..at least among the 'experts'...jenks was the sox most unreliable part of the staff. I thought he was unreliable coming into the year, as we had no track record for how he would perform. Also, the weight/velocity issues were concerning. I will say this though.....it's more exciting watching Jenks pitch than any other pitcher in Sox history (outside of post-surgery Parque).

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:50 PM) How has our pitching gotten so much worse in one offseason? Overuse last season (understandable). Ozzie's also been managing our starters like they were as effective as they were last year, even though they're not. I shudder to think about how bad our pitching would be without Jenks being so freaking good this year.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:49 PM) I don't even pay attention to that crap. The Tigers have been the best team in baseball to this point. They're here to stay. It's amazing how much they resemble us from last season so far.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:46 PM) It would be nice to play a team and have 5 runs scored enough to win. Fixed

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:43 PM) crede pisses me off when he swings like that. he did the same s*** yesterday when he hit into the dp. You have to take the good with the bad with his protect swing. His K numbers are way down, but he still makes it too easy to get him out on anything other than a fastball with 2 strikes. No real complaints from me about Crede's overall offensive game. I'd be thrilled if we traded Fields and McCarthy and Tracey for someone like Crawford. QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:44 PM) I highly disagree. Let me just say I have a lot more information than you do on this.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:42 PM) Garland is due to pitch again a week from Tuesday and only threw 95 pitches the other night. I bet he is in the pen tomorrow and next Friday as well. Send McCarthy to AAA for a week to make a start or two and get some work in. Bring up a real good defensive outfielder or Tracey for the pen. I repeat, Sean Tracey is likely not an option ever again for the White Sox. Just trust me on this....as long as Ozzie is our manager, we won't be seeing him.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:40 PM) What do I care about his optimism? Even pessimists can make good points...although, not often! Jesus Christ, fathom. "We need to make some trades, get new pitchers LOLOLOLZ!!!!" "Our pitching can't win in the playoffs!" None of that is "Let's blow this team up" in different words? And don't give me such garbage about me telling someone to jump off the bridge. Anyone with a basic understanding of American catchphrases would've understood that I didn't mean that literally. English is your first language, right? But, why don't you tell me -- where do you get a flying f*** to give? Is that something you pick up in an airplane, or something? Thanks for your contributions to discussing actual baseball. I love people a decade younger than myself trying to talk like a smartass to me. I'm done with this conversation with you.

Ugh...I hate Crede's protect swing in that situation.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:38 PM) Wouldn't today be Garland's normal day to throw between starts? He's getting some work in. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:37 PM) I'm not so sure that's a good thing. Probably means B-Mac has some sort of emergency and has to leave the game, don't you think? Nope, Ozzie said he might use a starter out of the bullpen this wknd.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:35 PM) I'm just saying that those of you who want to jump off a bridge in tears because our pitching doesn't pitch like Roger Clemens at his best every single night are so melodramatic. Yep, way to go from one extreme to another. We're not demanding 1.50 ERAs from our starting pitchers.

Garland in the bullpen? Maybe it's just me, but I think that's unnecessary. Not only that, but he looked rather uncomfortable out there. We need to get rid of Politte ASAP, and get another righty up that we can pitch in close games.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:32 PM) Nobody is jumping off a bridge. But I'm not being a blind homer, either. How can one not be concerned with Freddy Garcia right now? Now, I agree that saying s*** like "he sucks" or "trade him for a bag of popcorn" is going overboard. I wonder if he knows you're usually one of the more optimistic posters.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 8, 2006 -> 07:30 PM) What are you talking about? He's prophesizing doom over the rotation. All I'm saying is, if he feels the need to blow the team up and trash the pitching and talk about how poor our rotation is, he can feel free to hop off that bridge but I'm not joining him there. Telling anyone to hop off a bridge, even when kidding around, is just stupid. I'm sure he doesn't give a flying f*** what you think about the rotation. No one in this thread has said to blow the team up, besides your misguided attempt at humor.