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it said 8:22 pm on the espn board. I'm saying it's b.s.

Just looked up the rumor on the board, doesn't seem very legitimate. Says he heard it on fox sports radio, but we would have heard something by now. The post was started like 3 hours ago.

We just saved nearly 2 million dollars on Schoeneweis and his whiny attitude. I'm just as happy with this move as I am with anything else that has happened this offseason.

Can we change the headline so it doesnt look like he signed with the Sox? I thought that's what it meant when I first clicked on it....thankfully they didnt.

Wade Miller will want a multiyear deal, and we know how JR feels about giving multiyear deals to pitchers who he thinks will have injury issues. I don't think there's any chance we go after Miller. However, maybe this will open the door up for Odalis to not be the focal point of the bidding war.

Miller has major injury issues after last year. I can't see KW going after someone who wants a lot of money but is an injury risk.

When I first read the report, I thought it said it would be good news for Sox if he announced tonight. So basically, it sounds like we haven't offered him yet. Wouldnt surprise me at all.

The fact we haven't heard anything about players being offered arbitration shows there could be something going on with A.J. Oh well, a man can dream!

I think the reports of A.J. signing anywhere soon are false because he would be much better off waiting until Varitek signs somewhere. If Varitek left Boston, he could get a nice contract offer from them.

Are we sure that it's not just a poster on WSI that saw the thread on this site, and wanted to start it on that site? That seems like the likely scenario.

I've honestly never heard of a team that saves that much money for a deadline deal. It sounds like a bunch of BS, if you ask me. However, the heat will definitely be on KW if he doesn't spend that money. If he refuses to sign anyone else this off-season, I would be willing to guarantee that he gets fired after this year. I'm confident this current team won't make the playoffs, and that's the only way he can keep his job (making playoffs).

We also didn't win with Willie, Crede, Uribe, Rowand, etc., etc. Getting rid of one power hitter was excusable, but you can't have an offense where you have to rely on mediocre to average MLB players to have career years in order to just have a sufficient offense.

I have to say that when 3 or more different respectable sources report the same thing, it's a lot more than just another stupid message board rumor. I don't trust the White Sox official that told Levine that the Sox aren't involved in the deal. Also, anyone that doesn't think Garland wouldnt be included in the trade is nuts. Dodgers need like 3 starting pitchers to complete their rotation.

Did the Score say that Konerko would be traded for 3 players, or would Vazquez be traded for 3 players from the Sox?

Qwerty: I agree with you, I think Cabrera sucks. However, he's definitely the type of guys that Ozzie/KW seem to have a hard-on for these days. However, I personally feel that any move which makes Willie Harris a reserve is a good move.

First, if we trade Marte, we will not have a great bullpen by any stretch. The Twins have a great bullpen, we would have an average one without Marte Second, Ishii is one of the last pitchers I would ever want on the Sox. He's just awful. No control, no innings, and that was pitching in a great pitcher's park. I would rather have Cotts than Ishii, and people know I'm not a Cotts supporter.

I agree, it's horrendous because we have so little faith in KW that he won't make the stupid move. However, I would be willing to support the trade if it was along the lines of Konerko/Marte for Vazquez/Navarro (with Sox gaining some money in the deal). I could see the Sox then trying to sign Cabrera with the money.

And if you read the NY Daily News article that's linked on rotoworld, the deal seems more likely to happen than to not happen. There's going to be a lot of pissed of Sox fans when they look on this message board when they wake up in around 5 hours.

If we get Duncan in this deal, we can kiss either Anderson, Sweeney, or McCarthy good bye. I still think that the deal will involve more than just PK in terms of Sox major league players. If we give up Garland in this trade, KW shouldn't hold the title of GM another day.

No cash is being exchanged in the 3-way deal, so we'd likely be having to pay for Vazquez entire contract.

Would have been a lot better off saving the money and Timo and using it in a deal to sign Mackowiak if he's non-tendered. He could fill in at 3b against tough righties on occasion. But of course, KW would never let one of his favorite guys go.

I put a lot of this blame on f***ing Ozzie Guillen. His stupid desire to play smallball in the American League in a massive homer park is going to screw this team. He would rather have mediocre/average players like Willie Harris or Scott Podsednik that can run than players that can actually hit a 3-run homer. Hey, we're getting what a lot of people warned us about when we signed him....Ozzie wants players that play like he did when he was here (and he sucked as a hitter!).

BTW, the only way that this trade would make any sense is if a lot of Vazquez's salary is paid by the Dodgers, but it doesn't seem like that would happen. Vazquez makes about 12 million, while the Sox guys being traded make about 14 million. If KW is doing this to save 2 million dollars, then he's a bigger dumbass than we give him credit. Now, if we were to save like 8 million dollars in this, and he turned around and tried to sign Odalis, Pierzynski, and Polanoo with the new money, I would actually support this trade. However, I don't see the Dodgers giving up any money.

Projected lineup would be 1b- Gload 2b- Harris 3b- Crede SS- Uribe Lf- Podsednik CF- Rowand RF- Dye C- Davis DH- Thomas/Everett Folks, that's one of the worst hitting teams in the majors right there. And guess what, we'd still be without a number 5 starting pitcher, and we'd be missing our most reliable reliever over the last 3 years.

Well, it looks as if KW is trying to involve himself in the big RJ trade by offering a package of Konerko, Garland, and Marte for Javier Vazquez. Well, this would be one of the worst trades in history if you ask me. KW, if you do this trade, you will not believe the outrage that occurs by Sox fans. Our offense will be the worst in baseball next year, and JR is too f***ing cheap to sign even average players. How f***ing pathetic is it that we don't even have enough confidence in KW to not even make the dumbest of trades? EDIT: Since this talk is turning out to be bunk, I (Showtime) changed the title of this topic.