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QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 12:02 AM) He's the cheap, safe move IMO. That's just it, even if it's what we think is sensible Kenny isn't really a "safe move" kind of guy, trading for and subsequently locking up for no good reason Mark Teahen, trading for Peavy and acquiring Rios all within a few months of each other proves that out. If he believes the division is winnable (and at this point there's no reason to believe otherwise) you'd have to think he goes for the perfect fit even if it does cause some major personnel and financial issues if we come up short at season's end. The guy wants nothing more than to win and to show how f***ing huge his balls are while doing so.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 11:39 PM) From my perspective, attendance has been really bad before the Braves series. At the game they listed the attendance at 30k, and that was the first game I attended with that high, some had been under 20k attendance. I should have said that if attendance continued at the sub 20k rate, then they may become cash strapped. And thats why there has to be caution here, because right now we are averaging less fans than Arizona (around 24k according to espn.) As for Laroche, I guess Im always skeptical on White Sox spects and how other teams value them. Who would really interest Arizona outside of Danks, Flowers, Hudson? I mean does Morel even make sense for the Sox? Or should they be looking for a more permanent solution (if possible?). I guess Im just saying that the White Sox need to take some time and evaluate what is going on. They dont have a ton of pieces to work with, so they need to use them well (imo) and not just buy the fist thing available. I agree with you and personally I think Kenny has higher aspirations than Adam LaRoche for our DH vacancy (that's right, I'm calling it a vacancy) that'll take him a while longer to acquire. I've mostly argued the point because I don't think the debated scenario is out of the realm of possibility.

Yeesh, we've allowed 4 runs over our last 4 games.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 11:29 PM) I haven't heard much of Santo. What's he like to listen to? Do Cub fans adore him? I feel sorry for him for losing his limbs because of diabetes. Is he all cocky during games? He was a heck of a player, but I guess voters thought his offensive numbers weren't good enough for HOF playing in Wrigley. He's basically as bad as it gets in terms of Color Commentators, he adds absolutely nothing to the broadcast except unintentional humor. You mostly get moans and groans out of him during broadcasts rather than actual analysis. My Cubs fan friends can't wait until he's gone so that they can actually listen to a quality radio broadcast.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 11:17 PM) Trading him 1 month early saves about $1mil. I think it depends on how good the spects are, and White Sox mid tier spects arent good enough to convince me (if I was Arizona) to trade now, instead of taking a wait and see approach. Conversely, the Sox would save $1mil if they dont trade till the end of the month, and I think the Sox are kind of strapped themselves. (Edit) Its no problem and I actually dislike it too, and was surprised that I did it, but I was just being lazy and trying to get the point across that if our GM did what people said on a message board, wed never even be here. I'm not sure Kenny wouldn't have sold off some talent if there had been a stronger market for his veterans. I mean within a few days of each other when we were way out of it we got a "open for business" report from a National reporter as well as a "very little interest" report. The market may have saved Kenny from himself. Anyway, the White Sox's financial situation is a tricky one; we did supposedly offer Johnny Damon ~$7M at the end of the offseason, I do wonder if that money is still available as JR has hinted recently that it may be. As for the D-Backs only saving $1M by trading LaRoche now; well as I said they did just give away Conor Jackson for nothing in order to save a measly $1.5M so their financial standing appears to be a highly volatile one. And we are talking about Adam LaRoche here, not exactly a star, career .833 OPS and a current .820 OPS this would be a very nice upgrade for us (since we have a pretty terrible DH situation currently) but he's not that good of a player.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 11:07 PM) I guess I could have said "almost" everyone. But I figured that people would clearly understand that I was speaking about the majority and not using "everyone" literally. I tried to be positive, but I just stopped posting because I couldnt really read all the doom and gloom. I guess that was just my frustration with how some people act. (Edit) Are you guys serious? I use everyone like 1 or 2 times in the history of my posts and people are making a huge deal out of it? I just hate that kind of wording, personally. It's more of a pet peeve than anything else. Usually because I'm part of the minority that's being lumped in with the rest.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 11:04 PM) Jake Peavy was a drastically different situation due to the financial position of the Padres and the fact that there were only a limited number of teams that could afford and/or would trade for Peavy. The Padres seemed to have to trade Peavy due to his salary. Laroche may have a few suitors, and Im not sure the Sox can trade Danks while they have not signed his brother to a long term deal. The Sox dont have a ton of bullets and Arizona isnt just going to give Laroche away for junk today, when they could conceivably get more in July. Well see but I dont think the Sox middle tier spects really wow anyone into making a trade immediately. Arizona is also incredibly cash strapped, they basically gave away Conor Jackson a few weeks ago to save themselves about $1.5M. That organization is in complete disarray: Hinch is likely out as manager, it's rumored that Byrnes is set to resign and the only untouchable players on the entire big league roster are Justin Upton and Ian Kennedy (that includes Dan Haren and Mark Reynolds). I could definitely see them waiting until the end of July to move LaRoche but that all depends on just how eager ownership is to blow that thing up and save some money. LaRoche's $6M salary would be a nice one to get off the books sooner rather than later.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 10:58 PM) You get the Cubs announcers though. This could be considered a good thing. I actually enjoyed listening to Kasper on Friday and Brenley has been brutally honest this season, it's an awesome change of pace.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 10:55 PM) He's up for arbitration for the next 3 years. So it would take a lot. Although rumor has it, he might have to go back to Korea for military service unless Korea wins the WBC or something. Though he can easily get out of it by never returning to Korea, something that he's actually hinted at.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 10:10 PM) Really so when the Sox were 9 games under .500 the board was saying the Sox should trade spects to add a veteran bat? All I ever read was about trading AJ, Paulie, etc. And obviously none of these bats are coming cheap, you are going to be giving up a potentially important piece of the future of the Sox. I guess Id rather wait to make the right decision, than all of a sudden have a bare farm system, a veteran getting paid money and a team under 500. Maybe Im wrong, but I seem to pretty clearly remember everyone saying that this team was dead, and this was in June. It doesn't help when Buster Olney is reporting that the Sox were "open for business" and ready to sell off veterans. You also really need to stop using the word "everyone" I absolutely hate that. Not every person lost hope, hell iamshack has been behind this team from the very beginning and stuck with them even when we started getting reports that the Sox were ready to White Flag it. s*** we had a "buyers" thread when we were about 9 games back. And for the record: I agree with you about the tone of the thread, there's really no rush as of right now. "paging Kenny" seems like a poor choice of words.

Williams: 24 IP, 58 baserunners J.J. Putz: 26.2 IP, 21 baserunners

JJ Putz! 0.759 WHIP

Career vs Silva: H AB 2B 3B HR BB SO AVG OPS Pierre 1 7 2 1 .143 .476 Vizquel 4 8 .500 1.000 Rios 4 22 4 .182 .399 Konerko 15 47 2 1 3 5 .319 .786 Quentin 1 7 1 1 .143 .393 Kotsay 4 24 1 1 .167 .375 Ramirez 1 4 2 .250 .500 Castro 0 1 1 .000 .000 Beckham 1 3 1 .333 1.000 -------------------------------- 31 123 4 1 6 15 .252

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 03:40 PM) lol on the radio earlier, when asked about getting someone like adam dunn,etc cowely said that where would u put him? that u tell kotsay he has to sit now? duh! hes such an idiot, yea lets not get dunn, agone(i know we cant), etc because of mark kotsay, right. When did Mark Kotsay become this great baseball player? He was a nice baseball player earlier in his career but never reached any form of stardom, he's now 34 years old, was designated for assignment by the Red Sox last season, put up a .309 wOBA overall and has followed that up with a .307 this season. I get that he's a great clubhouse guy and everyone loves him but he has absolutely no business starting at DH for a contending team. And for a grindy white guy his "intangibles" on the field are pure s*** though I'm sure he's snapping people on the ass with wet towels in the clubhouse all throughout this winning streak keeping up moral.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 03:34 PM) Can you read? I put that Omar play at third two days a week and at least 3 at second. That's five days a week out of seven for an old guy. You want him to play all 7 days??? "some other days" = 3. How didn't I figure that out? There's also no way Beckham should be sitting down 3 days a week, if that were the plan then you'd be better off sending him down. We currently have a hole at DH, if Viciedo were to get regular playing time (which I doubt will happen) it should be at the DH position since that spot is currently occupied by a mediocre veteran with zero upside. Oh yeah and this would be the finest defensive alignment as well, swapping out either of Vizquel or Beckham with Viciedo in the infield only weakens the defense, putting him at DH keeps our strong D intact.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) Yeah he really needs to be sent down. Stupid to not let him play somewhere. Unless they've discovered he's really 25 or 26 I don't get it. It's kind of frustrating. He should be playing third five days a week, Omar the other two and Omar fill in for Beckham some other days at second. You keep saying this and it makes no sense. You know Omar is one of our best players right now, right? If Viciedo is going to play anywhere it should be in place of Kotsay.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 02:13 PM) Ok! This is what I was going to post before I read Kalapse's statement. RW hasn't pitched for two weeks. He really only had one bad outing-or real bad depending on your point of view-and that's when the Marlins clubbed him May 23rd. Other than that he hasn't done all that bad so fitting the role of situational lefty hasn't been a debacle by any means. I think Ozzie might like him to do a couple of innings of mop up also, but really there hasn't been any need the way our starters have dominated. He's been the worst pitcher in baseball. I didn't say that I thought he was worth saving just that Coop does. Sustaining a mid 2 WHIP over 20+ innings is next to impossible yet Randy's found a way. He's had 6 outings where he's allowed 2 or more baserunners and retired at most 1 batter. This is an unbelievable stat: Randy Williams has made 25 appearances this year, 15 of them were for less than 1 inning of work and yet he's had only TWO outings all year in which he did not allow a baserunner and both of those came within the first 2 weeks of the season. He's allowed at least 2 baserunners in 16 of his 25 outings. Just ignoring his overall awful inherited runners numbers, more simply: Randy has inherited at least 1 baserunner in 12 outings this season, he's allowed at least 1 inherited runner to score in 9 of those 12 outings. Randy Williams has been charged with 13 ER allowed this season and on top of that he's allowed another 13 inherited runners to score.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 26, 2010 -> 12:24 AM) I'm more worried about Lilly in all honestly... and by worried I mean "slightly" though this team could probably rock a bullpen down if it came to that. Why would you worry about a starter that we're not going to face?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 09:03 PM) Well, to be fair, Bartlett is usually going to hit 1, 2 or 9. Makes him quite the target to make the last out in a lot of these things... He had been hitting 7th and 8th up until that game vs the Sox in '08, he happened to be hitting 9th that day. Today there were 10 baserunners and he happened to be the final out.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 08:57 PM) no hitters don't do it for me anymore, they happen like all the time now.. Average score: 5.18 to 2.71 4 shutouts 7 games with 1 or fewer runs allowed 11 games with 3 or fewer runs allowed

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 25, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) If Atlanta holds with the save in the ninth, we're 1.5 back of Minnesota for first, 1.0 back of Detroit for second. Imagine that, we could be in a tie for second by the end of the day tomorrow. And if Detroit makes a comeback suddenly the Twins are in 2nd place.

Jason Bartlett was on deck when Dallas Braden finished off his perfect game.

Didn't Bartlett make the last out Vs Buehrle?

76 strikes, 70 balls. 8 walks, 1 HBP, 1 error, 6 K Still 1 out to go.