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QUOTE(spiderman @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 06:12 PM) You're right about Thome, I wasn't sure when I said that, but what % of games has Frank Thomas played at 1B ? About 47% Being one of the greatest pure hitters in the history of the game, a 500+ HR hitter and steroid free over an ~18 year career will make Frank a first ballot hall of famer.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 12:45 PM) here's an interesting stat though Pedro Martinez seems to be one of those "sure HOFers" that is tauted as being a lock whenever he name comes up...he only has 197 wins! only 36 active pitchers (as of 2005) have more than 103 career wins! And some of those guys are ancient (clemens, johnson, maddux, glavine), and some are relievers now (fassero, gordon...is fassero even still in the league)? what will be the new benchmark for wins for a hall of famer? I don't think anyone will ever even get 250 again. I think we need to look at 200 with the way the game has changed I think Buehrle can get to 200. Pedro Martinez is also one of the most dominant starting pitchers of all time and possibly the most dominant during his prime. He put together a 2 year stretch that is unparallelled in today's game ('99-'00) with 2000 being quite possibly the single most dominant season by a pitcher in baseball history. 1.74 ERA, 0.73 WHIP, 284 SO to only 32 BB in 217 IP and most impressive of all he posted a 285 ERA+ which the highest (best) ever recorded by a pitcher in the history of the game. You're putting WAY too much stock in a single stat especially one as unrepresentative of a player's ability as wins. Mark Buehlre even in the same paragraph as Pedro Martinez is utterly blasphemes.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) They both played 1B much of their career as well. They're shoe-ins. This is very true when it comes to Thome, I don't know why but people seem to think he's been a DH his whole career when that couldn't be further from the truth. In his career Jim has actually played over 225 more games at 3B than he has at DH (492 at 3B and only 265 at DH) and on top of that he's played 1100 games at 1B. So in other words he's spent about 14% of his career at DH

In order to make the hall of fame you atleast have to be one of the best in the game at your respective position for an extended period of time along with a stretch of dominance. Mark Buehrle has yet to do either and I highly doubt he ever does achieve either. The guy just doesn't look like a possible hall of famer to me.

And now he will hold out.

QUOTE(T R U @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 04:28 PM) Why is that shocking.. Basketball has been his life, and hes 41 not like late 40's I see no reason why he shouldn't give it a shot, he has plenty of playoff experience he may be able to help someone in some way. Too true, the guy could always do 2 things incredibly well, set up the offense at the point and play defense. I highly doubt his abilities have diminished to the point where he can no longer dibble a ball down the court and set up an offense and he's just a naturally skilled defender so I'm sure he'll make it with someone if he's really serious about this.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 05:12 PM) Not a fan of the new ST hats. Not great but not terrible either. I was never really a fan of the silver brim caps anyway.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 05:06 PM) Aside for the "Mallet" and "Sisko" spellings, I am interested in how a long man that will probably get 40-50 innings is more valuable than a 5th starter that could get 140+ Especially since Ozzie doesn't really even use a long reliever.

And we have our first player pics. Sean Tracey: Knuckles: The Beast Andy Sisco:

QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 16, 2007 -> 12:13 AM) We've already distinguished the All-Star break is not an equal division between halves of a season. Since the language I used was "first half" and not "pre-All-Star break," those numbers are moot to the discussion. My post stating "I don't understand," was to motivate Vance to elaborate on the two bolded sentences I found contradictory. Even when you broke the season in half 81/81 it didn't make sense since that Cubs start came on game 81 so you can't disregard it. Regardless, this whole thing is silly since breaking the season up into arbitrary segments makes absolutely no sense to begin with (oh I agree with you ptatc.) and since Mark Buehrle put up a 93 ERA+ last season and a 143 in '05 he was most definitely not as sharp last year as he was during the championship year regardless of how successful his first 18 starts of the season were.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 11:56 PM) what's a metaphor? For givin' war heroes, silly!

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 11:40 PM) I don't doubt that. I admit I don't know much about Clark other than looking at his numbers, but I gotta say I prefer the upside of Erstad as backup CF (especially at the price of $750,000- KW exploits the inefficient market), and Ozuna with his bat, speed, and agressiveness as a platooner in left. Clark is an above average defensive player with an excellent arm which makes him a better candidate than Ozuna out in left simply because Pablo is not an outfielder and is less than mediocre out there. And based on Clark's '05 season, Erstad's track record offensively over the past 6 years and Darin's injury concerns I'll gladly take the upside of Brady Clark as the team's 4th OF.

QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 11:46 PM) I don't understand. If include that final start before the break against the Cubs Buehrle's pre allstar break numbers are 4.02 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 54:28 K:BB and a 9-6 record. Which are not spectacular numbers.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 11:35 PM) There are the excuses again. He struggled because blah blah blah. He struggled last year because blah blah blah. However, when he is dominating it is all because he is the great Brandon McCarthy. Whatever man. If this, if that. There is no telling what Ozzie would have done if El Duque was still injured as well all know he was not fond of McCarthy for whatever reason. You can't say with any certainty what would have happened or who would have replaced El Duque on the playoff roster. You can only speculate. You ask me nicely and I don't have a problem with it. You talk to me like a horse's ass then I will not do it. Just as you mention my suspensions and then have nothing to say after I make my comments about them because you know that I am right. Whatever man, you don't like me or my posts and I don't give a rat's ass. This is a baseball message board. I am here to post my opinions and debate the position I take, not to make cyber friends. I don't remember calling him the great McCarthy but whatever. And you're right Ozzie wasn't fond of McCarthy which is more than likely why he was sent to the pen for '06, based on what Brandon did at the end of '05 and in both spring trainings he was ready for the big time and he should have been in the rotation in 2006 outside of that I don't even know what is being argued here. And McCarthy would have been on the playoff roster mainly because there is NO ONE else that makes any sense that could possibly have taken that final spot. And 99.9% of what's discussed on this board is speculation so to dismiss it with 'blah blah blah' is pretty backwards. I really don't know why you were ever suspended and I really don't give a s*** either.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 11:13 PM) I have had 2 suspensions here the entire time I was here and both involved Steff and nothing else. I think there is a bit of a favortism there, but who am I to say. Please go ahead and edit the giant spaces out of my posts from now on as it is so difficult for you to read. I remember the 5 starts. I also remember the other starts he had during that season that were nothing special at all. Like I posted before, we will see how he does now after the league has seen him a bit and they have tape on him. Brandon McCarthy was not the only reason we made it to the playoffs. He also didn't even make the post season roster and we dominated the post season like almost no other team in the history of baseball. So he had 5 great games in his major league career. Congrats to him, but I doubt he improves on those stats. He struggled after first being called up like most 21 year old rookies called up straight from AA tend to do so he went down to AAA for the first time and worked on his game, came back up and dominated against some of the best teams in the game. I never said he was the only reason the Sox made the playoff, just that without him they likely would not have. Brandon was left off the playoff roster mainly because the Sox only needed 4 starters and El Duque's playoff experience made him a better candidate for a bullpen spot on the playoff team than a 21 year old with only a couple career starts, if El Duque was still injured come October McCarthy would have been one of the 25 players selected to play in the postseason. And as for the large spaces in your posts, I'm not going to edit them out but I am going to ask you again, nicely to no longer do that.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 11:08 PM) What does Brady Clark do that he doesn't do worse than Mackowiak? Hit lefties and play CF. A platoon of Mack and Clark in LF would be far more productive than Podsednik alone.

The 2007 season is upon us with Pitchers and Catchers reporting tomorrow and with this we have our first pictures of the year. Welcome back baseball, we've missed you so.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 09:02 PM) We need a Spring Training Catch All this year. The Sox Ps and Cs report tomorrow, right? Up in Milwaukee, I don't hear enough Sox talk... Yeah this kind of upsets me, apparently the pitchers and catchers report on the 16th (tomorrow) even though an article on whitesox.com claimed they report on the 17th (Saturday) so my sig has been providing people with false information all week.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:41 PM) Does oral sex count? It depends on who's receiving, if you're servicing then yes you could receive some undesired results from such actions.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:28 PM) Does it have to be intercourse? Can it just be "contact"? There would have to be penetration of some sort.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:13 PM) That was the story madeup by that SS for the Rockies right lol, he came out of no where to have that magical season too, or start of a magical season. Barmes wasn't carrying groceries though, he was carrying like 30 pounds of Deer meat that I believe he got from Todd Helton.

7-11 is the only licensed distributor of White Sox pocket schedules. I picked up a couple the other day.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:23 PM) No it doesn't, and Anderson being a complete POS for April and May last year hurt matters even more. He was brought in to be the 5th starter, but with the upside to be a top 5 pitcher in the MLB. People are pissed because he cost so much both in terms of players and in salary. However, I'm still further frustrated by the fact that people can't accept that Young hasn't proven a damn thing in the majors yet, and that they are so willing to just completely give Vazquez away while keeping Garcia, when both the business and baseball sides of the ball suggest keeping Vazquez over Garcia. I'm done talking Vazquez for a while. I've done it waaaaaaaaaaaay to much in the past week, so I'll only just mention his name from time to time until the predictions for the 2007 season come up, upon which he's going to receive an insane amount of slurpage from me. What's really starting to bother me is the closemindedness some are displaying when talking about Vazquez' stats, they're only looking at his W/L record and ERA while ignoring the 50 other stats that are out there, most of which look pretty good in Javy's case.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 05:45 PM) Symptoms: Hands feel cold to others Knuckles are swollen (can see little veins) Tops of finger rips look red compared to rest of finger No pain, no tingling, can still feel pain and hot/cold sensation Have not been outside Anyone know what this could be and if it's a big deal? Have you had intercourse with a penguin in the past 24 hours? If so, I'd consult a doctor immediately.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 07:01 PM) I did say I was going to be a broken record about it. Maybe said record got thrown in the garbage People are ridiculous. I think the only reason people hate Vazquez is not because he was so ungodly inconsistent last year, but rather because he was the only pitcher who was not a constant in the rotation between 2005 and 2006. I loved 2005 as much as any Sox fan, but at some point rose colored glasses have to be taken off. I probably will, just cuz I'm getting sick of it. I still think I'm going to have a great manlove sig made for me though of him. It will be amazing. The fact that he was traded for Chris Young has not helped matters either.