jphat007

Steal with Iguchi. Sandy's not gonna throw anyone out.

At some point they are going to fall. At what point I don't know.

Beautiful.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 05:56 PM) They wont have to play at a 650 clip if we keep dropping 4 or more in a row at a clip. As long as we keep getting 5 out of 6 in between they will. And we didn't even play well in that stretch. We'll get hot at least once more this year.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 05:52 PM) Jphat...I'm actually with you on this, that there's no reason to give up hope now. However, it seems like we've been saying "oh, the lead is 10...oh, the lead is 8...etc." How long until you actually get worried? Probably around 2 or 3. I doubt it will get to that though. I doubt it drops below 5. When we get to play KC for two weeks, even though they took 2 of 3, that will help us out tremendously. That and the indians aren't going to play .650 ball the rest of the year. I would guess our lead is right around 6 at the end of the year.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 05:47 PM) and you aren't worried?? If they keep playing like this by the end of this week this division will be tiedm, which means were done. I'm worried about how they are playing, not about losing the division. Our lead is 6.5. Every team in baseball would KILL for a lead like that cept for the Cards. After this series is over we have an easy schedule just like the Indians have had.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 05:46 PM) That 5 of 6 was after a SEVEN game losing streak So does that mean we'll win like 10 out of 11 after this losing streak is over? I'll take it!

Haha. I'm seriously worried about you guys. Yall are gonna have a heart attack before this seasons over.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 05:44 PM) f*** this team. Game over. 4 in a row. Probably five after tonight. 3 in a row buddy. That's after winning 5 of 6.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) It's too bad Pods couldn't return a week ago to show KW that he alone wasn't going to spark this team. We've scored 11 runs in our last two games. Thats good for us. Pitching and defense have been the problems in this losing streak.

Meanwhile. Curt Schilling continues to suck. Not that that has to do with anything.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) The Ross Gload conspiracy lives on. If Ross Gload could play 2B or 3B I gaurentee he would be up here playing. But he can't. He can play 1B, he can DH and play a tiny bit of outfield.

QUOTE(the southside tiger @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) All that does is save the pen. He did that tonight, didnt he? And did it help us in anyway except our pen isnt worn down? No. I believe they have the same number of QS. Isn't that a pretty good measure of consistency.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) Example: Head to Head Gm 1 9ip 2er w Pitcher#2 Gm1 9ip 5er l Gm2 9ip 5er l Gm2 9ip 4er w Gm3 9ip 2er l Gm3 9ip 1er w Pitcher #1 1-2 3.00 era Pitcher #2 2-1 3.33 era Call me crazy, but I'd go with pitcher #2. Yah, that works over 3 games, but over the course of the season, if a guy has a higher with more wins, that means his offense has scored more runs. Wins are not an indicator of a pitchers performance.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) This year it is debatable, but I'd still take Santana over Buehrle in a Heartbeat. Nobody is debating your second point.

QUOTE(quickman @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:27 PM) wait a couple more outings, and Buerhles ERA will be over 3.50. then 3.60, then 3.70. ANd then you can say Santana is having the better year. But unless you can accurately tell the future, you have no point.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:24 PM) Santana>>>Buehrle Overall yes. UP to this point this year, no.

QUOTE(quickman @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:24 PM) I guess nobody knows what your point is except you. Or they try to change the argument because they know they are wrong? It was pretty clear what my point was. Buehrle leads the league in ERA. He is the best pitcher this year. If Halladay pitched the whole year, he would be the best pitcher this year.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) No actually you are saying that Mark B is a better pitcher over this year. Then you discounted Johan because he is a very miniscule amount behind with better numbers in ever other category. In the only stat that matters, how many runs a pitcher gives up over a comparable number of innings, which is the only thing he can control, Mark beats out Santana this year. I'm not sure how much more clear that can get. But

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) Who would you rather start game seven of the World Series? MB or JS? My money's on JS, no offense. I can't put it a better way. What does that have to do with who has been the better pitcher this year? Or any of this striaght up trade talk. People are acting like I'm arguing who is the better pitcher. Of coure i suppose they saw they were wrong otherwise so they had to change it to that? I'm not sure.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) If Ryan offered Santana for Mark Buerhle straight up. KW would yell DEAL before Ryan got Santa out of his mouth. That wasn't your point. You said Santana shut poeple down more this year. I showed you he didn't.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) If you read it correctly I would rather have the guy with the higher ERA if over that same time he won more games. There are some pitchers when they lose, lose 4-2. Some lose 8-2. ERA isn't the most important stat. Yes it is. A guy with that kind of record is getting great offense. That's the reason he is winning. LOL. I can't blieve you're arguing that you'd rather have a pitcher who gives up more runs.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:17 PM) Buerhle is a very streakly pitcher. He usually has one "pitcher of the month" months, a couple of good ones, a bad one or two and an average one. Santana is very solid all the time and spectacular in the 2nd half. Santana can shut out the Yanks, Red Sox and Anaheim. Buerhle really can't. Santana gave up 3 runs in 6 innigns against Boston. Just like Mark. He gave up 7 runs against ANA in 2 starts. Mark gave up 4. Those are the only comparable.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:13 PM) I will make you a friendly bet and say that Johan has better numbers than Mark by the end of this year. And that is over the entire year. I like Mark, but lets be honest. You discount a pitcher that people fear to face, that can shut an offense down. Mark is a great pitcher, but he doesnt shut teams down. Shutting down? Buehrle has 11 starts giving up one run or less. Santana has 9 of a similar nature. Next?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) Well, I just blew away your runs allowed theory as well. I did a little research, something maybe you should think about doing. Your argument is ERA. There are things more important than ERA. Buehrle will be 14-7 with a 3.07 ERA after tonight. I would rather have him 16-5 with a 4.20 ERA, but that's just me. And that's exactly my point. The fact that you'd rather take a pitcher who gives up more runs is just incredible to me. I can't put it any other way. What that says is that the other guy's team scores more runs for him. I'd rather have that other guys offense, but I sure as hell don't want him over a guy with a 3.07 ERA.