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QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) There are lots of jurisdictions where a drunk victim is itself sufficient evidence. If the victim is past some threshold of drunkenness (some places it is 0.08, others a fuzzier standard, others there is no consideration given), the sexual aggressor whether drunk him or herself or not is held accountable for having sex with someone who cannot provide consent. You would presumably still have to convince a court that victim was not the one initiating the encounter, though. According to this website, it would seem that would not apply in New York as alcohol could facilitate date rape there but apparently only if alcohol was provided w/o consent (unclear how you'd go about doing that). They took her blood on sunday, not sure they would get anything other than the fact alcohol was ingested, unless there was video or photographic evidence of her passed out.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) no it doesn't this is what i mean by someone who thinks they know the answers and is totally wrong. a women, regardless of age, regardless of sobriety, regardless of how much or howl little she has on, if she says no..... it mean NO!!! this has been taken to and backup all the way to the supreme courts. Huh? I was talking about the impending legal case. WIth alcohol and little to no physical evidence the cases almost always get thrown out.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) It makes him stupid if he is continually exposing himself and his career to this. That's about one of the only facts we know for sure.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) I am hoping that even if the d still will give up more yards per game, the pressure/scheme can provide more turnovers. But we got too used to running = 2/3 yrds or less. Running should not mean conceding the offensive possession. It shouldnt but we've seen our running game the last year or so. Im hoping it was pure coaching that led to the line not being able to block.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) My thoughts exactly. The more we can keep the ball on the ground, the less it's in Jay's hands to make a stupid turnover. And when we do pass, we can mix in play-action to freeze the defense, which again, makes it less likely for Jay to turn it over. Though, he's always going to have his WTF moments. That's just Jay. The problem is the defense sucks so running the ball into punts is going to make it a very lopsided game quickly.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) Voluntarily going home with someone doesn't tell you whether that person later consented to having sex or not. She could have left with the intention of setting boundaries (3rd base only, not waving him home), she could have been too drunk to actually consent in the first place, she could have initially gone home with the intent of having sex but changed her mind. But it's still frequently used to discredit date rape victims. I think you are connecting his statement with a rape case a little too literally. He said in his experience usually sex was going to happen, not that she consented or that it has to happen, hes just stating his statistical experience.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) Not to mention the court of public opinion where a significant amount of people who think that any time an athlete is accused, it is because she is a gold-digger. The court of public opinion also labels a person a rapist any time they are accused. It works both ways and we are allowed to recognize both sides of that response.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) jesus christ no, going home with someone does not mean that you have to have sex with them He didnt say that, he said it usually meant sex was going to happen.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 11:17 AM) Just cause it is difficult to prove in court, doesn't mean we should ignore putting the heat on Kane. A lot of info still has to come out, but this stance of Kane is absolutely innocent seems rather crazy. None of us know anything and until people do, the only debatable fact goes back to Kane and why he'd even put himself in this situation to begin with. As Tony points out, he should have been smarter and given his position, he needs to be. Sure, he deserves heat, but I was specifically referring to the legality of that type of case.

Becky could have been stealth about her plans this week but instead she spilled her guts to Shelli

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 11:10 AM) What seems odd to me is that why did this take so long to get out if it happened Saturday night? It wasnt last weekend it was the weekend before apparently

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) This might sound s***ty but let's not right away believe her version, women have been known to do this sort of thing to shake down rich celebrities. Even if he did rape her, its the kind of date rape where the presence of alcohol and the lack of actual injuries could get it completely thrown out. Thats why date rape is horrific for victims and the law in general. Alcohol, the consent involved in following someone to their home and the lack of any real injuries makes it impossible to prosecute. Now if he beat her or drugged her then he's toast as he should be.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) I'd imagine Kane's PR team would be all over that already if he wasn't the target. Why say anything if I was them? It just seemed fairly deliberate to not mention him and only mention his house.

QUOTE (staxx @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 10:53 AM) Good catch, I didn't realize that. Definitely being lost in the shuffle of being first to tweet the news. Their statement doesnt confirm hes actually under investigation.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 10:52 AM) Derek Jeter has managed it quite well...how many models/actresses has he bedded? Never one scuff on his pristine rep like Tiger or A-Rod. Perhaps the key is dating women who are independently wealthy and high profile enough that these types of situations are more unlikely to occur. The point isn't about the sex, it's how you carry yourself on and off the field, and whether you're consistent in your behaviors. Probably, plus he provided a really cool gift bag on their way out the door. There were also rumors that he made every girl sign an NDA and acceptance form.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) Listen, if given money, most of you would take advantage of people, assault strangers, cause your employer embarrasment, and be involved in rape investigation. Who among us could deny that? I'd definitely pull mass amounts of tail, its up to them if they want to accuse me of rape after a one night stand.

So the Police statement is being run with by media outlets without actually reading it. The statement says they are investigating an incident that occurred at Kane's house but didnt actually say they were investigating Kane himself. Interesting detail there.

If they took her blood and there was alcohol and they dont find any signs of struggle or date rape drugs in Kane's house this is going to get thrown out regardless of what happened. I doubt there are any injuries on the girl that dictates rape.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 07:56 PM) The Cubs struck gold with Schwarber, jeez Teams have doubted him his whole life. His home state school didn't even offer him a scholly. He appears to be a great hitter

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 03:46 PM) No, we're using it as a precedence. The worst league of all of them when it comes to punishing abusers gave a guy 4 games (1/4 season) for being cleared of a crime. I would expect, the NHL is better, the NHL would outdo that, for sure. Ah yes a blanket precedence, its not like another player had been accused of rape in the NHL before or anything....

Wait, we are now using the NFL as the gold standard of punishment? LOL

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) If he's cleared though, what "situation" has he put himself in? Going out with friends? Sleeping with someone? I don't know if he's got a girlfriend or not (if he did, then obviously there's the cheating component), but if he's single and he's cleared of wrongdoing, he has not put himself in any "situation." Yeah, I mean if he is cleared and it wasnt actually rape, going out and meeting and sleeping with a girl is a situation we've all been in.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 12:41 PM) I'm going to wait for the facts to come out to the extent they can, but I'll let it be said right away that I'm not about to contort myself so I can tell myself favorite team's star didn't commit a crime if that's what the record ultimately suggests I think everyone knows rape is wrong and if he actually did it then he deserves the correct punishment. However, nothing at this point suggest one way or the other no matter what the masses and media want to put out there for clicks.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 6, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) A neighbor of mine is a cop and he once told me I wouldn't believe how many rape accusations are made in Lincoln Park every weekend. Very few are ever actually charged. Ive heard the same. Alot of regret over one night stands and how big of a jerk the guy was and this is their first inclination, like "Ill show him." The kit usually shows something but even if its not much evidence its word against word and a good lawyer will get that tossed unfortunately. I attended a mandatory date rape seminar back in the day and the advice on how to react was contradictory at times, either dont do anything or make sure you scratch the offender to have proof. Its a very gray area.

Some media already calling for the Hawks to terminate his contract.