RockRaines

Good debate tonight. Would you trade Keith for any other D man?

Versteeg getting his legs back.

Jabari is a superstar. What Duke freshman have you ever seen that was better?

Cuse always has such athletic big men. Baylors unis need to go.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 04:27 PM) Which once again should have no bearing on what happens to them this season. Do you realize I agree with that. This is just the perception and why the MAC just doesn't matter to most people.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 01:23 PM) But the same arguments were levied against those schools (with the possible exception of TCU in '11). Shoot, people on this board argued after Utah beat Alabama in '09 that the Utes only won because Bama didn't care. NIU probably loses if they get a BCS game. But the fact that they are in the MAC, or that they lost to Florida State last year, are irrelevant to whether an undefeated Northern team this year "deserves" a shot at a BCS bowl. Mathematically I think they deserve it if they are ranked that way. However the MAC just isnt up to par in alot of people's eyes, and mostly because of their performance against other conferences. The MAC is very shallow defensively, and it can really show when they are up against a top 10 team. NIU for example is 3-36 against the Big Ten in the last 90 years with an average score of 13.7 to 31. Assuming OSU as the BCS rep of the Big Ten, 21-0 vs the MAC with an average score of 37-11 People see that and they dont think they can compete due to history telling them so.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 01:09 PM) Does anyone actually think NIU will keep it close against a team, outside of maybe UCF, in a BCS bowl? Sure, you never know. There are sure blowouts on paper that never materialize every year.

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QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) Plenty of midmajors have won BCS games. TCU beat Wisconsin in '11. Utah beat Alabama in '09. Boise beat Oklahoma in '07. Utah beat Pitt in '05. It's not like the non-AQ schools always get blown out. Give undefeated Northern a shot in the BCS again. I don't really understand the argument against... Two of those teams are now in major conferences. I don't think anyone equates those with the MAC. The MAC will never get any respect, that's just the way it is in football until a playoff system lets one in and they go deep.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 11:26 AM) I know their record but it would still have some interest in the Chicago area as opposed to a GoDaddy Bowl game. NIU can barely fill their tiny little stadium. I don't think there is much interest in Chicago.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) It would be an interesting discussion nowadays, because with how much exposure the sport gets now I bet Big Ben would very much be in the discussion like Lynch. Truthfully, it is an entirely different beast now He was a finalist but much like Lynch had 0 percent chance to win because the MAC doesn't count. It will be that way until we have a much larger playoff system.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 09:05 AM) Im not discounting anything Rock. I know the pecking order of teams/conferences, its just funny when people get their panties in a bunch when a lesser conference dares step foot in the circle of awesome. I hope for these lesser teams to build on the exposure they get when they get to where NIU has gotten the past couple years, much in the way Boise State did. I want more parity in college football, not "Well they got here now they will get destroyed by the team that has been here for the past 30 years". Wite is correct, the system is broken. No easy fix, no rational fix at this point. It will continue on, SEC will dominate, other conferences like Big Ten/12/Pac will have challengers, and we will all keep watching. Of course it is but the facilities and money at those small schools don't lend itself to consistent results. On the Lynch for heisman front. Check out the 2003 voting and tell me Roethlisberger wasn't better than Jason white. But the MAC doesn't count.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) But really, why should that matter? When they get teams like Middle Tennessee St to come to their place and blow them out, its not that big a deal. There is only one risk for the big conferences, a loss. They arent refusing because the competition might suck(unless you mean your own team might suck. Which I understand for some teams like the current Illini. But SEC teams should never worry about those things) No the Risk is they suck and that s***ty OOC game costs you with the polls. Or is schedule not one of the qualifiers you've used to discount team rankings?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) You keep saying no benefit, but $15M to a conference is clearly a benefit. Also, it's not turning down a home game. Nearly all teams play at least one non-con game on the road per year. Just schedule your home-and-home with NIU instead of Arizona St. or whoever. Because in 2020 when the game happens NIU will suck and everyone will say your OOC schedule included a s***ty MAC team instead of a major conference foe. Games are being scheduled 10 years in advance. The best MAC team 10 years ago? Miami with Big Ben at the helm.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 04:12 PM) Seriously, how is he going to have any money if he can't sell a Heisman? LOL. If only the players waited a few years to sell their possessions nobody would even blink an eye these days...

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QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 03:52 PM) Not all suspensions are equal. OSU was playing nobody those first three games and Urban had to do something after Aaron Hernandez. Let's not act like Urban is some saint. There's no way of knowing if the Wisconsin kicker makes that kick anyways. Should he have gotten the chance? Sure, but they were still going life and death with ASU and a 32 yard FG isn't a freebie in college. Other coaches in conference have suspended convicted felons for less than a game. It was overkill and everyone knows it. Its probably kept him out of the heisman race so its been damaging as hell.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) Wasn't Hyde arrested? I don't think Winston has been arrested yet. I just think it's ridiculous how he tries to downplay Clemson for only beating a "7-4" UGA team. Just absurd. I guess they had no injuries that may have made them a worse team than they were in week 1. He was named a person of interest and then not charged for anything. Still suspended 3 games. Lot's of these experts talking about teams the way they are now, not how they were when they were played. NW is a shell of who they were at the beginning of the season. Of course all of this would be moot if Wisconsin wasnt screwed against ASU.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) Nothing lasts by more curb for more than 30 minutes. Yeah, in the city where I lived there was no alley or anything so I forgot this exists. As soon as I moved to Oak park I was trying to find a way to get rid of my old water heater that exploded week 1 and my neighbor said put it on the curb and dont worry about it. Gone in about 20 min.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) Just a tad bit biased against FSU. Jesus. he HATES OSU and Meyer. It was a shocking article, but I see it as pretty truthful in a lot of aspects. Nobody has really given a s*** that a kid who is publicly accused of rape is still playing.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Do you mean online or story mode? Because story mode, you should have a million other side missions or jobs to do to pass the time. Story mode, there is literally nothing on my map or phone or anything.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 10:18 AM) One of my plasmas has windows to the left of it (now i have shutters on those windows and can adjust if needed) but haven't had to. Watching sports on an LCD/LED, specifically high speed sports games like basketball (or as rock pointed out, hockey) look like pure crap on LED/LCD's vs. a plasma. And since 90% of the time, even with my wife in the room, the TV is on sports, it is key that they look good. If you keep the "pure motion" on its got that soap opera effect and sports look kind of weird to me. Hockey shows the flaws as the puck has a tail like back when they had the fox hockey puck. If you configure your tv's like i do you turn most of that stuff off and the puck can "skip" as players pass it. It drives me f***ing crazy at times. Luckily I have my old plasma in the basement where I can move to watch the hawks. I believe the 4k LED;s are supposed to be better at this but who the f*** wants to spend 5k on a TV?

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