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QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 08:24 PM) HOWEVER....this game could be huge for the rest of the season if it signifies that Gload is going to get a chance in LF. I'd bet my membership on the site that Gload won't get a chance everyday in LF.

Hey!!! Cy McCarthy isn't dead after all, at least Ozzie is using him regularly and in big spots.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 08:22 PM) We get the point. Maybe if you say it a third time, people will think it's funny though... I'm not trying to be funny, that's the sad part. I'm just pounding the truth that is Ozzie Guillen .

Ahh the return of GIDPaulie and Corpseball. What a night.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) I've seen enough of Gload this inning to name him my LF for the rest of the season. He can't steal bases!!! No way!!! Wow Paulie, that was a shocking result,

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 08:17 PM) I wish Gload would get a chance to win the starting LF spot. He sucks in the OF...but so does Pods. It's amazing how many infield hits Gload seems to get. He has more this year than Pods does in probably 20 pct of the ABs. Dude, you can't play Gload!! Gotta keep Pods in there, he's the fast leadoff dude that steals bases man!!

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 08:13 PM) At least Garcia is on the mound tomorrow. I

Ok, well for a while I thought I was the only person around here that was anti-Ozzie, but with the way the boards have turned lately, I thought this thread was indeed necessary to get thoughts out on Ozzie, good and bad (just like the offseason thread is necessary). As a person who personally thinks Ozzie Guillen is an atrocious manager, here are just some general thoughts I have to get started. 1). Ozzie is almost Dusty Baker esque in his preference of veteran players to younger ones. Brian Anderson (a GREAT defender) is hitting .290 in the last 9 weeks, yet Mack has to play CF against all non pathetic righties (even though Brian hits righties BETTER than lefties). We all know the pathetic use and treatment of McCarthy, right down to "he's not bleeping Cy Young". Why is Pablo Ozuna on this team, other than he's a 30 something Latin that supposedly can run?? Why did we trade for Sandy Alomar when Chris Stewart is probably a better option at this point (Kenny wanted Sandy IS NOT an answer). Hell we could bring up Sweeney or even freaking Owens if we had to instead of Ozuna being here, at least we'd have adequate CF defense if Brian is out. 2). I DO NOT blame Ozzie for the starting pitching. Does he handle it like crap? Of course, BUT at the same time he has to try and get innings out of them, and it's obviously not his fault this staff has underachieved at this pace. This is the one area I'll defend him I suppose. 3). Handeling of the bullpen. I could go on ALL DAY about this, from the use of McCarthy, to bringing in pathetic Neal Cotts and subsequently ending all hopes on Friday, and then doing it AGAIN on Sunday, to bringing in Bobby Jenks in the 8th/middle of innings when he can't get people out in those spots, to the Sean Tracey incident, to not using a consistent set up role, even lately when he's had good set up guys like Eminem and Thornton. And that's just the stuff off the top of my head. 4). Inconsistent lineups. Yeah it was real cute last year since we won it all, but the fact that Ozzie can't ever consistently play a consistent lineup doesn't help the offense at all, it doesn't help the pitching since Lord Knows who is going to be behind them in the field, and it doesn't allow the players to get into any kind of rhythm. Imagine this offense (which leads the league in runs) if the lineup were actually consistent every day?? I know guys need rest sometimes, but the lineup alterations are ridiculous. 5). Rob Mackowiak in CF. Is he the only defensive option behind Anderson out there? Yeah probably, but he should not be out there ever unless it's once every 2 weeks plus to give Anderson a break. The overuse of Mack in CF other than days off for Anderson on rare occasion (especially since Anderson is now hitting, against all kinds of pitchers) has cost us at least 4 or 5 games this year, and at the end of the year may be the difference between making the playoffs and not making them. 6). The inablity of this team to play "small ball", bunt, hit the ball the other way, or show any sort of fundementals. The pulling the ball constantly thing could probably be blamed moreso on hitting coach Greg Walker, however at the same time, this team can't bunt, they are horrible fundementally, the small ball aspect of the game is non existent, and if we don't hit homers, we suck. I know the pitching covered it up last year, but other than Pods and Gooch in 2005, this team has been home run or nothing in 2004, 2005, and 2006. And I thought we'd never be like that with Ozzie, that's what I was told at the presser in which he was hired. 7.) Ozzie's preferential treatment of speed, and love of stolen bases. Obviously stolen bases and speed are part of the game, but Ozzie, this isn't 1977. Guys have to get on base in order to score runs, and it doesn't matter if they are fast or not. Plus, Ozzie.....Iguchi, Pods, and Ozuna ARE NOT FAST THIS YEAR, so stop stealing with them (and Dye and everybody else for that matter), because it's not worth the risk at the rate they get caught and with the ability this offense has. Stolen bases are overrated as is speed, you can either defend or you can't, you can either hit or you can't. Ozzie keeps playing Pods and Ozuna even though they can do nothing but run (and this year, neither of them are really even that fast, it's just the idea they can run that Ozzie loves. And neither can defend). Check the numbers, other than Pods last year even, the team didn't steal a whole lot of bases, and last year (unlike this) we NEEDED to manufacture runs since the offense sucked. This is a different team and different personnel. 8). They look dead. This is a more recent trened to be honest, and part of it is the starting pitching I'll admit. But look at this team recently, they don't even appear to give a damn out there. Ozzie, if nothing else, if firey and supposedly fires up the troops with his attitude, but it sure hasn't looked that way the last month plus. If Ozzie's team is playing like dogs, then what good is he? He's not a pitching staff specialist, a strategist, or anything else like that. Ok, that's just the stuff I could of off the top of my head, but more will be coming as the days go along I'm sure. Ozzie defenders, the floor is yours and I only have 2 rules please: No use of the term "he won us a championship last year"!! or "Ozzieball". My dog could have managed us to a World Series title with that pitching staff, and we STILL almost choked it away (it being a 15 game lead) in September.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:37 PM) It stems from something I said a few years back about Ozzie...it was along the lines of Ozzie not knowing talent if it hit him in the face. He just looks at certain things and thats it. But he's a great manager!! He fires up the troops (as you see tonight) and won us a championship!!

3-2 pitch, and the Sox batter makes an out on a low changeup!! First time for everything I guess!!

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:33 PM) Ozzie doesn't think nearly as highly about Cy McCarthy as a lot of people do on this site. One in the long list of reasons he's not a good manager. Cy is better than anybody in this rotation not named Garland right now, and that's with the fact he's been screwed up by same manager Guillen with the inconsistent workload out of the bullpen.

Inge with a terrible play, then a really good one. Iguchi pulls the outside pitch on the ground, what a shocker.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:27 PM) unreal, I know I may catch some flack for this, but MB needs to knock the next guy on his butt. Any momentum the Sox had over this team is gone Buehrle could throw at a guy's face as hard as he could, and he'd have time to have dinner and take a nap before having to get out of the way.

Thames just misses a homer, then Buehrle makes sure to throw it in a spot where he can hit it out and fair. But hey, every team would LOVE to have him for 9.5 million.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:21 PM) I thought they'd all be worse Fathom, but come on. I'm sure you, like myself, didn't think they'd regress THIS much. If you had in mind a similar regression that I did, the SP's would still be good enough for us to cruise into October with the way the offense has performed.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:20 PM) Once you something is not working, you can make changes to the team. There is no rule against trading players mid-season. Who should we have traded for? Keep in mind nobody in the NL except the Cubs and Pirates were sellers at the deadline, nobody in the AL wanted to help us, and pitching of any decency doesn't clear waivers. Good luck!!

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:19 PM) Exactly. I will not even listen to an argument about Williams not putting this team in the best position to win. Coming into this season, we still had the 4 aces that got us a Championship, along with adding Vaz. These guys all have underachieved,and your a liar if you said "I called them all being worse" Agreed. I despised the Vasquez trade from Day 1, but the pathetic level of our starting staff was unpredictable by anybody. And like I said, even if they were just slightly below average, we're a playoff team.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:18 PM) I wouldn't mind, personally, but I'd like to see how he fares in AAA. And how Buehrle recovers next season. Remember, we're attempting to replace a fresh arm with a starting pitcher typically among the league leaders in innings pitched. I doubt McCarthy will pitch 200 next season. Broadway couldn't be expected to, either. I'm not too comfortable with that. Yeah the innings part of the equation is a big problem, which is why my senario won't happen. But I'm just tired of watching 9 million dollar pitchers throw worse than my dog.

Way to pick up that run Juan, not like it matters or anything.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) Mark Buehrle won't have a 6 ERA for the entire season, especially in a contract year. He's not a guy with great stuff pitching like crap (Vasquez). Contract year isn't going to change the fact his stuff and approach are well known and not good enough to get legit major league hitters out.

QUOTE(cgaudin @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) Define "mediocre"....That's middle of the pack, right? Somewhere in that range yes.

QUOTE(SoxHawk1980 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) I'm with Fathom on this one. Do you really think a rookie pitcher who has never pitched above AA can't have a 5+ ERA? Broadway is no Liriano or Verlander...not yet at least. Broadway could come up and pitch a 6 ERA, and we'd save 9 million dollars on a pitcher with an ERA that's only 3/4 of a run worse than Buehrle. Not bad.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) Every single team in baseball would jump at the chance to have Mark Buehrle for 9.5 million. Obviously, people are DESPERATE for a lefty SP that takes the ball. That doesn't change the fact he's been figured out and sucks though, and although he'll be back, i'm not happy about it at all. It's 9.5 million of bad money on the payroll.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 07:12 PM) Broadway can't be worse than Buehrle? WOW! Not unless he has like a 6 ERA. I know we are going to pick up the Buehrle option, but if your telling me it's a good move I'm going to laugh. He's been figured out and 9.5 million for a figured out, overworked lefty is silly.

That may have been the worst throw in the history of sports.