Princess Dye

Beckham had too long of a dry spell to really have any indignation happen over this. This is nothing to take away from his great year, but i cant say there shouldve been any belief he was a definite favorite for this.

If we're giving an absolute load of prospects, I wonder if SD would part with an older reliever...after all they are looking at this as a total rebuild if it happens.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:14 PM) 2 years and $23M left on that deal. If you pick up Adrian and Matthews and only shed Konerko from the 25 man roster and get no cash in return you're effectively paying Gonzalez $16.625M per year for the next 2 years since Matthews is just about useless (he's at or below a replacement level player and such players are by definition everywhere). So even though Adrian is an incredible value you're not saving any money in the long run, you're just adding to the payroll ($3.75 in '10 and $17.5M in '11) which actually makes him a less attractive target via trade. It is still probably better than anything else we were going to do with the 2011 money. Even if it forces us to get a cheap DH, it's not that much of a downside. We get 3 solid young hitters in the lineup. It is not impossbile to think we'd trade GMJ next year for more appealing(but more long term) mediocre talent.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) But if it allows you to get Adrian Gonzalez for a couple years at $5M you have to do it. How long is GMJ contract anyways? On the plus side, once Alex Rios and GMJ enter the same room, their bodies fuse &become one What just annoyed me about this: you just know Angels are doing something like asking for Matt Thornton etc

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) Gary Matthews is a 10 million dollar Brian Anderson. Ouch. Welp, 13M total for Adrian Gonzalez and GMJ is about right. In the expanded deal Angels should keep their cash part of it and just take Scott Linebrink for a generic reliever....

And we could reunite Gary Matthews with his brother who I believe works for the Sox organization (and who i went to summer camp with..)

QUOTE (BFirebird @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) The one thing I am struggling with is...isn't this PK's last year of his deal? Why would they trade prospects for a guy that could become a FA next year? Granted this is all my hopeful thinking here.....but if we're giving the Angels money, they are getting a lot of offense for their buck in Abreu and PK. They are looking to win now. Bringing in a Mexican-American star like this...only good things for attendance. I'm hispanic and it seems like every latino baseball fan I meet seems to root for the Cubs...

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) Remember that he'll be getting about 20M a year once he enters FA, so you can't go hand out a ton of long-term contracts and than expect to keep Gonzalez around. It seems like a perfect time to get some aging but effective guys in here for a good two to three years of contention.

QUOTE (The Baconator @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 12:38 PM) Damn, working from home today on a tight deadline for tonight, and this is what I get? I wish I didn't have the willpower of a 3 year old, I'll probably be refreshing every minute now (even though I know nothing will be magically resolved today). Kenny does work fast though...

QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 12:40 PM) What if Beckham was going to the Padres? Would you still pull the trigger? You have to pause there due to how cheap Beckham is for years and years, and his offensive value at that position. You dont want to become the Padres. cant bring in a great hitter and give back your top hitter but i'll do almost anything else

I guess I kind of differ from some people here, but I see our awesome 5-man rotation as being of less use if it's going to stand with the current lineup alongside it. I would move one of Danks/Floyd to get this deal done. Obviously only if I had to, but I would not let it be a stopping point. Reason being--the freaky part about this deal is how it would actually save us money in year 1. We could get back into the FA hunt. Well actually there are several freaky things about this deal.

Konerko would be a production upgrade over Vlad at this point, easy

i'll never forget PK saying at the parade rally "it's getting too cold -time for me to go back west" wasnt even cold yet...

28 homers on the road last year. Jesus an article from May http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...alez/index.html

I wonder if there's some way they can do this and send the farm minus Hudson. oooh Also where are all the "you dont trade the face of the organization" posts (ie PK or Buehrle) ? For the right deal you do it

i am unemployed, it's about time some exciting stuff popped on this forum dammit

You dont want to mess up that elite rotation we are setting ourselves up with. But it really does become moot if we dont do something to improve the lineup. It is not heresy to deal from a strength and put Hudson into the rotation. Sending Floyd and Flowers as principals in a deal would get something in return that could rank us at the top of our division. And then you free up Floyd's dollars down the road....not to say his deal isnt reasonable (it is)...but this way you get to observe Danks and CQ a little longer before deciding who to give that saved cash to.

Today's activity supports my dream scenario Flowers can either catch or DH daily... with CJ Retherford as an emergency catcher (and other utility guy as it seems he'll now be) So AJP and TF can coexist regularly

I would feel fine too if I had just broken up a barfight to popular acclaim on u-tube

The only way it's possible is if we have some backup plan for dumping a contract.

QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Oct 21, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) Is this the guy on their team that used to smear the eye black on his face lol? No this is the one that mistakenly thought a shoe was a sandwich

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 20, 2009 -> 12:01 AM) I would normally agree, but I expect some desperate team to offer him something we just aren't willing to go near... When you see what Willy Taveras got, it's possible. But Pods' defense and his inconsistency year to year should save us in this regard.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 16, 2009 -> 09:15 PM) Wow, this thread got bumped? I'll say again, if it costs us anything in terms of talent or the Cubs chip in less than 60% of his salary, not interested. Interesting how people imply something shouldnt have been bumped. Then they express an opinion, which in essence bumps it once again. Or at the least means it's giving the topic some level of legitimacy.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 17, 2009 -> 10:35 AM) plus I think I would have to shower immediately after every time I cheered for him or was happy with his success. I think of him more as an overly sensitive and defensive personality than a malicious one. The story about him going after the announcer during a game....THAT is pretty crazy. But i dont necessarily think he wouldve gone up there and started beating ass if he had gotten thru. Still,bad.

It's just so different when you play for Ozzie. He takes the attention. Bradley needs a clubhouse where he can hang back. A lot of guys like him an Everett dont seek out attention but they get in the papers when theyre sought out and they slip up n' say something ridiculous.