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I would agree with everyone that says its a mismanagement of funds to dump cheap players for Halladay. But like I said, KW's creativity cant be underestmated. There are a few money earners on our current roster that could conceivably be moved to free up cash.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 05:57 PM) You may think that they've got 4 guys who could have an ERA around 4...but I'll lay you 10 to 1 if you asked KW somehow, he'd tell you he got his no-doubt staff ace last July. The guy did the pitching triple crown only 2 years ago (ERA, wins, and strikeouts). And the Detroit Tigers might agree, FWIW. Hey I'm all for it. But I dont see the couple of starts last year as an indicator that he's completely over the relative step back he took after the Cy Young I guess we shall see.

I basically agree with everyone here. To offer a few caveats though: The Sox may want to go for it all this year. And if they dont like what they see available for offensive players...... They may want to get the no-doubt staff ace, get Pods/Thome cheap and call it a night. That might necessitate dumping Jenks but we dont know JR's pocketbook for sure. Apparently KW never does either. I only say all this thinking of any possible ways in which this rumor could be real. The philosophy would be -- lets make the pitching championship level and just pray for the offense. As we stand, we're very solid pitching and still prayer-needing offense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 05:32 PM) So people would be willing to give up 1 of Floyd or Danks for a 1 year rental of Halladay and at the same time leave us with zero funds left for the DH/LF spots? Adding Halladay to that rotation is simply overkill. You can't offset a weak offense by producing a moderate upgrade out of your #3 starter spot. Cant just say Doc means we have no way of getting a LF. Cant rule out Kenny's ability to move money around. Via trade we could get LF done ....just like no one saw the McCarthy trade coming, there are always ways. And of course there's the camp wanting Kotsay and Flowers sharing DH (with Kotsay more likely in the field on his days in) ALSO -I personally wouldnt do this, but since Trader Ken always shocks us...it's not entirely unthinkable to see him move AJP for a positional need.....then you have your young catcher baptized by fire...and you fill a need while avoiding the upcoming AJ/TF standoff.

While I am in the camp that wants to work on offense way more than pitching......we do need to have the expectation that we might have four starters that end up with 4.00 ERAs. It seems like most people here are expecting those four starters to have 3.50 ERAs. Obviously not an awful thing but point being we cant assume we're championship level with the staff.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2009 -> 05:25 PM) Really? You think we need to invest more in starting pitching? I would imagine any trade bringing in Halladay has a current young starter outgoing.

there has been a lot of idol speculation about the angles and it makes me yearn for the days of Greg MaddOx

To hype this Flaming Lips concert on The Score ad breaks, I cant believe the commercial plays "She Dont Use Jelly" Do we know John Danks is gone after 2012? There are a few ways this can go. In short, though, KW has shown he'll worry about the next year or two foremost and let the rest sort itself out. Even when our farm system looked bleak, he was able to trade a real young prospect for a guy like Quentin. You can always make a bridge move, in addition to spending dough of course. Mark Gonzalez now on 670

If Flowers is traded it really puts the Sox in a spot. They bring in Blanco and then they risk severing the relationship with AJ. As things stand now, I bet AJ would back for a series of short term cheaper deals........it would just have to guarantee him playing time. It's the same deal if they keep Flowers though. AJ would be gone after this year, I'd bet

By giving Joe Cowley this much attention in his email inbox, you guys are probably giving his ego some serious wood. There are bigger battles to fight than this guy.

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) love blanco

http://www.projectprospect.com/article/200...field-prospects

Journalism was my initial interest back when I started college. In the end, though, I think I need sports to be my get away. Once it is what I do for a living I would imagine it would get tedious. Also right now I have a friend right now traveling the country producing women's soccer for TV. I wouldnt want to put up with maybe years of doing not-ideal stuff. But then again my current job, known as no job, also sucks

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 05:51 PM) DO NOT try to "educate" Dan Berstein on ANYTHING. He is a pompous, Duke educated know it all and likes to belittle and talk down to anyone who disagrees with him. Terry Boers is funny. Dan Berstein is a jerk. I've never found sportstalk-radio-host a position where you need someone noble. I wouldnt want to hang out with this guy, but more often than not he knows his stuff. Especially for NBA, you cant go many other places for knowledgeable discussion. While sportstalk radio is very often a locomotive off the rails, I will take that over the neatly varnished Comcast Sportsnite-type discussions. Frankly, I think B&B get the ratings they do because a lot of people like to hear callers challenge them. Their confrontations are pretty entertaining, even if (as we all know) the hosts control the medium. This may seem like a basic point, but B&B take a position and make it really clear how strong they feel about it. Oddly enough many hosts dont do this. I think that's why they get listeners who dont even like them. Because there's something to take in and think about when they discuss a topic.

Interest in Blanco doesnt mean they're automatically trading Flowers. They may want to build his legend as a prospect in AAA. If he comes up and struggles both offensively and defensively, he takes a hit as an enticing piece of trade bait. Plus there's the whole thing of trying to be a division contender while playing a total x-factor behind the plate against lefties. And if you already know you want to bring in a true DH, then you are holding back his development having him start opening day as a once-in-awhile player.

Beckham would have to lead off if we really added no one. I dont think they want Alexei getting tons and tons of at-bats. I was also glad to hear some of the comments by Kenny that speed at the top isnt the end all be all. Beckham can put himself on second base quite a bit.

B&B seemed more fair to soxnet than i thought they'd be, seeing as how Cowley is their guy. Boers in particular has indicated in the past that he detests message boards (though much like Bob Dole not having seen Trainspotting, I would think he's attacking something he's never experienced). If anyone DOES wanna get back to the trade talk...perhaps look at this old article about what was netted for Sabathia. http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...sabathia-trade/ I'm kind of curious what people think about the haul Cleveland got for a guy who was a rental (plus moved at the deadline). How does that package compare to what we'd need to give up for AGon? ndians Receive: Matt Laporta- $23.5 million Rob Bryson- $5 million Taylor Green- $7 million Zack Jackson- $1 million Total- $36.5 million

The trade doesnt even matter now this is getting interesting/wild/wow

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 04:23 PM) I will point out that the Tribune in no way shape or form tells us what we put up on our blog. We are completely independent of the newspaper. Completely understood and I hope my comments dont make it out to be me saying that. B&B talking about this now.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 04:21 PM) Well, that's the entire point of blogs: they're independent. The media conglomerates have a presence on the internet as well, but that doesn't mean that they control the medium. Where we're at today is that the newspapers battle with each other to be the first to give a blog report credence. Or to be the first to quash a blog report. It's just a weird situation where something previously independent now has these larger entities involving themselves. Which I suppose shows how desperate they are. It will be weirder i suppose when SunTimes goes under.

I think a lot of these writers have a hate for the blogs -- largely because it's taking their jobs. The SunTimes is near folding, the Trib is basically holding on til that happens. Obviously not in an intentional way, but it doesnt take a genius to realize a lot of us get for free (free in a sense) what past generations paid for and relied on in the morning paper. That does not excuse Mr Cowley's lack of professionalism, but at the same time these are people's livelihoods. I can at least see why there'd be tension. Sam Smith always used to write about how much he hated blogs. Then upon accepting a buyout, he became what he hated. Sam Smith handled that in a more classy manner, I would say. Even if I disagreed with him, it was better than what Cowley did today. If the larger media conglomerates are now starting to run/influence/promote the blogs, that is an issue that (Cowley aside) I would find a little fishy. To me, that is worth bringing up (again, preferably in a classy manner). I like how the internet allows us to participate and control what is fed to us. If that is being compromised, yes I have a problem with it.

The Padres would move him with two years left on the deal to accomplish one thing -- to bring in a giant load of prospects. Without Floyd or John Danks outgoing, I dont know if we can compete with another team's offer.

It's just really easy to say "anyone providing info to a message board should wait til it's more advanced in the negotiations" If this became common practice, the message boards would have no scoops, and we'd still learn everything from the Trib and SunTimes websites. To me, the ability of the common man to share information makes twitter and message boards a really powerful set of tools for a fan. I dont really buy the argument that all this transparency affects the GMs abilities to do their jobs, either.

I'm on a Bulls board where an information providing poster mentioned something about a Hinrich/Wallace for Hughes/Gooden trade one offseason. Nothing happened and he was laughed at, then months later at the deadline the deal went through in a different form. He also broke the Jalen Rose trade. Many times he has mentioned things that dont happen. I suppose if you have a source, you just give the boards all your info on negotiations, and maybe 25% of the time negotiations succeed. And the 75% it doesnt go thru, you take heat from posters who know nothing but fill up with jealousy faster than a test tube.

His comments on twitter basically indicate that the report is correct, but that the Sox have been rebuffed when approaching SD with these things. I suppose we'll just see if anything progresses. Cowley is so petty, there's like zero professionalism whenever he's interviewed. I'd rather someone not be a Comcast Sportsnite robot, but the other extreme is believing you're the funniest guy on earth and showing it at every turn like this dude. I think most people leave this seeing SoxNet being more professional than him.