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QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 30, 2009 -> 11:12 AM) Sorry I missed it. Can't find the Podcast on the 670 site. Could you nudge the boys to be sure to upload those shows in the offseason? I believe The Score Chimp is in charge of said uploading, and generally you do not want to bother the Score Chimp

I feel like Vlad has always been bad facing the white sox. Though maybe i'm just thinking about 05 postseason.

Agreed. Carrasco is ready for an expanded role. No question he was good in his role last year, but we cant wait to see if the guys who are supposed to get late inning outs...will.

We should make it painless whatever it is

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 1, 2009 -> 04:21 PM) I'd also take Jenks closing for $7.5M and a kid taking Dotel's job for the minimum than Dotel at $6.5M, some huge question mark at closer and an extra half-assed prospect you got for Jenks. As I said in the original post, the scenario makes sense if you already have a new closer ready for next year. Before jumping all over me people should read what I actually wrote. The reason I bring this up is an organization with large reserves of farm pitching talent can do things like this. Keeping Dotel over Jenks frees up a million and arguably gives you the reliever of greater worth. Arguably--as in it would create a ton of arguments here. But if the Sox really are on a tight budget this offseason, they could use that extra million. Dotel has a live arm and has been steadily what he is. Jenks has been changing as a reliever every year, less Ks at first........ and last year,frankly, less outs. I think Dotel is the kind of reliever we'll only miss once he's gone..but that's me.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Dec 1, 2009 -> 04:14 PM) Dotel would have accepted in roughly less than one second. You do not make a move just because you feel it will be fun to do so. I should probably be banished from all White Sox front office meetings then. Done.

As a side note, that deal for Peña sure looks necessary today. At some point you have to figure out not every power hitting 1B can be held onto. I guess.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 1, 2009 -> 04:08 PM) Damn, looks like no compensation draft picks then. If there was someone on the farm who could close, it would've been fun to do the following: Offer Dotel arb. If he gets paid elsewhere, take the compensation pick and keep Jenks If he does not get picked up by another team, you keep him and then trade Jenks for a prospect.

Just dawned on me that the Sox would have to overpay a decent backup catcher to come here. They'll always feel threatened by Flowers as far as playing time. Olivo has been brawling with us a few years now it seems, I wonder if he hates us at this point.

We already know they want Pods to come here cheaply. Does this scream championship aspirations? Pods would get one of our two open spots. I personally dont think they have Kotsay and Jones both here to be bench guys.... plus you have Ozzie's comments about a rotating DH. But we'll see I guess. I bet if they do get a guy like Matsui it will come at the cost of someone who was here in '09 (Jenks?). I think when KW got Rios, it was with the thought that he'd come here and hopefully get 35 doubles and .350 OBP in a full year. What we hope is that it was a precursor to a real XBH guy being acquired, but my fear is that they want to address that issue with a full year of Rios, Beckham and rotating RF/DH (with Pods in there).

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 1, 2009 -> 01:36 PM) I kept being told that all the moves we made last year were for 2010 and if we happened to win the division in 2009 that was supposed to be gravy. Now we're pushing it another year? I think it's an elevated version of that. I mean, the staff the way it is now gives us one side of the ball where we can be championship level....and then the offense, which is an x-factor. The moves we're making now are: "a few guys pan out and we can win a playoff series or more, otherwise wait til '11" They couldve not gotten Rios and went for it this offseason. But then what if you miss out on Holliday? You overpay for Bay? It's a weak FA crop.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 1, 2009 -> 01:20 PM) Then we were lied to. All you have to do is go back on previous owner and GM comments about putting money out there on salary spending. Obviously finances are a concern for all teams unless there is collusion amongst team ownership as has been put out there by agents. I am hoping we are working on a new master plan to win The Sox have been pretty consistent about being one of the respectable payroll teams each year. I'm glad they're waiting this offseason out. When Konerko comes off the books then you'll have enough money to address the middle-of-the-order problem in a legitimate free agency way. You can tell when Kenny sets his mind on filling a spot during an offseason. He made plays for Torii and Fukudome before settling on Swisher. This year is a wait-and-see, and part of that will be seeing if they can get by a year with scrap heap guys that could pan out. But with Peavy in place I think they're seeing '10 as a maybe-we'll-contend year...with '11 as an aim-at-contention year.

We can do so much better at first base. Love Paulie for his past with this team, but even in his comeback year in 09 he was still pretty darn average for that position. If he's coming back at a discount that lets us afford a great FA, then fine.

The Sox wont make a big splash right now via trade unless it saves money (like Gonzalez). The money saving deal that makes you better.....not easy to do. I'd expect more scrap heap type signings...Pods Thome still not out of the question. There's too much upside to doing it that way. You can keep your prospects and then have all this cash freed up next year with a better free agency crop. The only downside is the possibility that Hudson and Flowers are at their peak trade value right now......

•The Sox were second-to-last in manufactured runs (137), which should come as no surprise. Only the Royals were worse (130). •At .370, Alexei Ramirez had the second-highest batting average against left-handed pitching. Derek Jeter hit .395. •Scott Podsednik (5.58) and A.J. Pierzynski (5.90) finished sixth- and seventh-worst in percentage of plate appearances resulting in an RBI.

I'm going on a second day of reproducing soxmachine.com stuff...but some of this is just so interesting..and honestly I think the board needs a wealth of new topics http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/12/0...-handbook-2010/ Jermaine Dye was the worst right fielder over the last year (-28), and over the last three years cumulatively (-81). Chris Getz was the only infielder to show up on the plus-minus trailers list, finishing 10 plays below average, sixth-worst among major-league second basemen. Ozzie Guillen used the second-fewest relievers of any manager, five more than Don Wakamatsu. Gavin Floyd has the least-hittable curve in terms of OPS (.410). Also interesting is Quentin's defense being perhaps something we arent critical enough of...............and something I've thought about for awhile now....that it may be time to increase Carrasco's role. Especially with Hudson being ideal for long relief....and with Dotel potentially out.

It's almost impossible to post here and not read about this prospect and all others about 30 times a day

Bard may not be outstanding, but lets not overvalue Alexei either. Generic shortstop defensively. He gives you a very nice amount of offense for the position, but it's not at the level of special. Also since when does Alexei have an attitude? Do people here know him personally? If we're trying to do something silly like interpret his facial expressions ...that's highly contingent on the culture yr from.

I would not at all be surprised if they get their extra dough by losing Jenks' salary. Then they can fill their offensive needs with one real solid piece and one decent guy. Meanwhile the pen is hurt, but most pens go into the year needing a few shocking performances to make their team a contender. You'd have Hudson and a full year of Peña in the mix too.

Nick Johnson wont be cheap. Obviously an upgrade over Cust, but what we're talking about here is two open positions and minimal dollars to spend (from what we're hearing from the Sox) Now if they cut ties with Jenks things could be interesting....but we'll see. Also if we depend on Flowers in any large way, we are risking a Brian Anderson type situation, where you want to contend immediately but in so doing give away tons of atbats to a young guy getting acclimated. I dont see any way he can break camp here, since AJ's presence will keep Tyler's greatest value...still....in trade value. In the minors he stays a mysterious hitting catcher with patience at the plate. Granted this can only be the last year or half year where that stays the case.

Crede trying to do what Pods did last year...hmm... If it came down to accepting a minor league deal, I wonder if his top two choices would be here and his hometown Royals.

is flowers Mike Napoli?

If you're low on money, then we have the exact holes you would want to have... DH and LF. There are so many sluggers out there that may have worn out their welcome or need a change of scenery. I can understand why this would be seen as simplistic, but my goal is playoffs...and hopefully our staff is going to be good enough to support a slightly above average offense...and take it to and through the playoffs. To get to 'slightly above avg' offense, we need some respectable OBP hitters in LF/DH. There are bigger challenges out there to have. You can call leadoff a missing spot, but looking leaguewide, you could answer that with Beckham and be a lot better off than other teams. My concern is that defense is still a hole, but there's no question it has improved since the beginning of last year.

Assuming the price is right, I dont see how a Sox fan could be against adding him. The pen looked good last year #s wise....but you have to factor in the loss of Dotel and the year-in-year-out second half struggles of Linebrink. Things would be pretty bare for a playoff run.

i wonder at what point the non-AdrianGonzalez content of this thread becomes the majority of it