TaylorStSox

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:04 AM) and this taylor guy needs to stop. Stop having an opinion? Stop expressing my opinion? Stop posting?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:00 AM) With due respect, I don't think it is worth pointing out. The White Sox are privy to information specific to their organization's short and long-term plans that no expert or message board poster commenting on the pick has. For instance, did they make Reed a reliever because they figured they had Sale as a future starter in their hip-pocket? Are you serious? How many teams draft based on what they'll have in the majors 2 years down the line? They probably do what most teams do and draft the best player available. You don't draft on "need" in baseball, development is too fluid.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 08:43 AM) Ring, Poreda, Sale. See the pattern? It's pretty bad when you're defending using the 13th pick in the first round of a draft on someone (essentially) who the GM traded for Nestor Molina. How valuable is that? You mean to tell me that Chris Sale could have gotten us Molina AND Stewart because he's left-handed? Wow! Consider me impressed. And, ONCE AGAIN, who will Chris Sale and Addison Reed close or lock down games for? We're going to trade our best starter or lose him after the season (Jake Peavy), so why is the bullpen so important for a team now in full rebuilding mode? Chris Young Gio Gonzalez Clayton Richard Daniel Hudson Edwin Jackson David Holmberg (#7 prospect in DBacks system) Brian Goodwin, OF (#5 prospect in a deep Nationals system) compensation for Dunn Alex Meyer, RHP (#6 prospect in a deep Nationals system) compensation for Dunn Mark Buehrle Sergio Santos Nick Swisher Ryan Sweeney Fautino DeLosSantos I'd like to have all those players back. Then Chris Sale ending up as a reliever wouldn't be make or break for this organization going forward. How are any of those players relevant to Chris Sale's s***ty elbow? You've been waiting for this rant for a while, right?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 08:31 AM) The problem is that RISK-TAKING IS NOT FOR THE FIRST ROUND. You spend overslot once you have your guaranteed guys and you roll the dice in the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th-10th on high risk/high reward guys like Trayce Thompson or Mitchell. You go out and get a Rick Porcello instead of spending that money on Manny Ramirez, Mark Teahen or Jason Frasor. Yeah, but Rick Porcello kind of sucks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 08:28 AM) Can you READ? Just because he has superstar ability in his ARM doesn't mean his arm will stay attached. See Mark Prior. It was STUPID to take a reliever with the 13th pick in the first round, end of story. I shouldn't have bothered to say superstar, because there's NO SUCH THING AS A SUPERSTAR RELIEVER EXCEPT MARIANO RIVERA IN ALL OF BASEBALL HISTORY. You wouldn't have drafted Mark Prior either? Are you a psychic or something? Call the Sox and give them some advice, then. They need your forecasting ability. But seriously, he was the 13th pick. You don't use a top 3 pick on a guy with bad mechanics. If you can grab a lefty at 13 who throws 100 MPH with 2 good off speed pitches, you take the risk and hope his arm can holds up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 08:23 AM) ONCE AGAIN, you have to LIKE ACTUALLY look at the future when you draft a kid. KW was only looking at 2010 and 2011 when that draft pick was made, and bolstering the bullpen immediately. If he actually would have kept Jim Thome around, we probably would have won the ALCD in 2010 and it would have been at least somewhat logical. As it now stands, it doesn't help us at all for 2013/2014/2015 and beyond. We already had Sergio Santos, who was cost-controlled and effective. Why do we need for our top two prospects to be relegated to the least valuable status possible for a team in rebuilding mode? It's called planning and future projection. Now, you're in Williams' head too? You know what the organization was thinking. You guys are going to b**** when we draft safe. You're going to b**** when we take risks. The last few 1st round picks have been great IMO, including Sale. It beats the hell out of Broadway and McCulloh or whatever the f*** his name was.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 08:19 AM) Chris Sale has/had actual superstar talent and ability. You can't take a Jeff Marquez or Dylan Axelrod or Nestor Molina and make them 1-2-3 starters in the major leagues. No pitching coach in history could pull that off. Cooper has done nothing wrong with John. Danks is clearly having a dead arm period or more serious physical problems that no pitching coach could overcome. THE ONLY hope I have for the starting rotation in the future is the possibility that Santiago and/or Castro can make it. And after Zach Stewart's no longer with the White Sox, we'll see how many other teams pick him up and turn him into a 20 game winner. So Sale has superstar ability and it was stupid to take him in the 1st round? You need to get out of the crib more. Take a walk or something. Grab a drink and wake up in somebody's yard.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 08:13 AM) No, if you were paying attention to your computer monitor. DO NOT DRAFT PITCHERS WHO ONLY PROJECT AS RELIEVERS DUE TO THEIR MECHANICS AND/OR FRAME, NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY THROW OR IF THEY'RE LEFT-HANDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many major league teams do you know of that have drafted relievers in the freakin' first round TWICE in one decade, let alone ONCE? It's just stupid, stupid, stupid. In fact, I'd rather they just did the TJ surgery today, and tried to get him ready to be a starter again in 2013 and 2014. He's worth pretty much nothing right now, about as much as Gordon Beckham. He was the 13th overall pick. It's not like he's Strasburg. The risk was worth taking and I'd take it again. Were you crying when they picked him? Most people weren't. The Sox will get more out of Sale than most teams will out of their 1st round pick.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 07:59 AM) Because our two best young pitchers (Reed and Sale) are more or less worth (at least to our genius GM) one Nestor Molina. Maybe not even Molina, because we just raised a giant RED (not white this time) FLAG for all to see for any team who was potentially intrigued by acquiring him for something decent. And, because we have no hope of contending with our rotation from here on out this season. Other than that, everthing's great. You want KW to hide the problem, run the kid out there and further risk ruining his career, and then, trade damaged goods. Great f***ing idea. Step away from the computer, dude.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 09:04 PM) This is a good post, but if they're so intent on rebuilding, then Flowers should be getting a hell of a lot more at bats Maybe they're trying to increase his value.

QUOTE (Capn12 @ May 4, 2012 -> 08:59 PM) Why in God's name is RV so scared to use Addison Reed as a closer? EVERYONE seems to think that should be the case, yet...we're doing 2011 again all over. MT has proven his worth in the closing role before. I can only guess that they think he's not mentally ready yet and they don't want to ruin him. IDK.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 4, 2012 -> 08:58 PM) I can't believe that just happened I can. Matt Thornton might as well just have "not a closer" tattooed to his forehead so nobody forgets it.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 08:56 PM) Kenny, you did a great job of leaving this team without a closer this year. There's lots of possible closers to test out though. r-e-b-u-i-l-d

I hope we become to the Tigers what the Twins were to us.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 07:59 PM) It was a blunder but Rios was standing on 3rd base at the time. They both screwed up. Wasn't there 1 out and Rios was tagging up?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 07:56 PM) Send him to Charlotte. I was ready to send his ass to Bristol, or back to Georgia.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2012 -> 07:51 PM) Way to take a few pitches, White Sox. Dotel dominating.

At least this happened before they decided to extend him for a 1/4 billion dollars.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 4, 2012 -> 06:12 PM) Don't blame KW for the elbow. Just his plan to rebuild the team is finished and so should he be. Just so we're on the same page here... Are you saying you don't like Kenny Williams?

Would Marty and Fathom be happier if everyone just said, "We suck. We've always sucked. We always will suck. Fire everyone!" Jesus.

I feel like I just got punched in the face.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 4, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) i was actually really pissed for a second because they did NOT happen in the fourth book and i thought you'd ruined those plotlines for me. be more careful... Dude, relax, I used spoiler tags. I was joking about all the speculation involving those characters. I got my baseball nerds mixed up with my A Song of Ice and Fire nerds. It happens.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ May 3, 2012 -> 11:13 PM) None of those things happen in any book. Maybe they've been hinted at but nothing you put in spoilers has been confirmed. Yeah, I kind of said those things in jest. I thought people might catch on. My fault.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 3, 2012 -> 10:07 AM) this is not true. none of these things happen in book 4. Did I get the books mixed up? They all kind of become one to me. I do remember the 4th book being boring, but you can't skip a book in the series. Nothing will make sense.

Getting doubled up when you have a guy at 3rd with 1 out is easily the dumbest baseball play I've seen this year.