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We have to consider that there were some red flags with Santos that may have concerned the Sox. Ie. Durability and over reliance on the slider. Like I said earlier, its all speculation. Nobody here really knows the market or the Sox motivation for moving Santos.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) The idea that no one outside of MLB can evaluate whether a trade is good or bad is pretty ridiculous. The idea that anybody here knows the true value of Santos is even more ridiculous. I like Santos, but he's brink down 2 years in a row. His slider is tough to repeat. When its not working, he's worthless. Perhaps other GMs also noted that.

Here's a fact for you guys... Nobody here has ever sat through am MLB trade negotiation. Nobody here knows what we could have gotten or should have gotten. Nobody here really knows the market for a closer 3 years removed from being a SS bust. Nobody knows what it really takes to land a top 50 type prospect. It seems the Sox have an organizational philosophy for pitching. You have to throw strikes to pitch here. This kid throws strikes.

I'm pretty sure you guys undervalue everyone associated with the Sox and vice versa. Williams has made some bad trades, but he's far from the pariah you claim him to be. Every tenured GM in the books has stupid trades on his resume. Also, prospect lovers are lame. If you listened to everything a prospect nerd professed, you'd think the Royals were actually good. n

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 04:22 PM) I was gonna bounce from this thread. But Steve, you're full of s***. You always got something smart to say when I don't agree with you over non-sports related topics. You're a sheep. I'm not insensitive to the situation at hand. Abuse of a child is sickening. I can look at certain situations from every angle. Now unless it comes out that Joe Paterno had direct knowledge that abuse was taking place, I stand by what I've said. I don't give a s*** who agrees with me or not. That doesn't concern me. Save all your speculation. Yes, I've read the GJ report. And there's nothing that suggests, IMO, he knew first-hand of what was talking place. If anything, the dude was a f***ing moron and naive. Not a role-playing perpetrator of sexual abuse of children. Yet they still provided an environment for the guy to prey on kids. The cover up and enabling really pisses me off. It's unfathomable to me.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) Exactly. He's just the face, as he has been for probably 15-20 years now. Maybe the majority of the blame should be directed at the people actually making decisions about things other than simply football games. They all get to share the blame. They're all pieces of s***, deviant cowards and the institution they represent gets to share their shame.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) This is such crap. He made some mistakes. He's not the monster at the center of this. No, but he's the face of an institution that did their best to cover it up to protect the image of their precious football program. Wtf is wrong with these people?

I just can't help imagining the conversation. "Coach Paterno, I don't know how to tell you this, but I walked into the locker room shower last night and saw Coach Sandusky ass raping a 10 year old boy." How do you not act? Telling your boss just is not enough. It's that simple. There's infinite blame to go around and Paterno is right near the top.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:34 PM) See...why is the picture of Joe Paterno and not Jerry Sandusky? WHY WHY WHY? Probably because he's the face of an organization that's not only covered up, bit enabled, a serial child rapist. That poor old man. Give me a break.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) I have. What's your point? Paterno already said in hindsight he wished he had taken a different approach. Hindsight? The motherf***er had 13 years of hindsight.

I'd think his inability to correct his swing would be a red flag to a lot of teams.

You want impact players to make an impact, especially in big situations. During a crucial AB, most umps are going to give the pitcher the benefit on pitches an inch off the corner. You have to earn runs, especially in the playoffs.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 10:26 PM) I think you're making a gross exaggeration. It seems that the majority of people in favor of hiring Thomas are the same ones who love the Ventura signing. There are obviously some exceptions. Ah yes, the best argument to date. Some pretty awful managers have had success at one point or another, thus this move is great. Clearly, the reference to a comedy is to be taken seriously.

It's just baseball, man. Lou Brown won a pennant.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:43 PM) So, they could have hired absolutely anybody who has played for a reasonable amount of time, and it's an OK move? It's not like pulled these out of the Shell on Belmont and Kedzie and loaded them up in a pickup. They're baseball lifers.

A. I don't think a group of guys that have spent their adult lives in a dugout are going to be overwhelmed by the daunting decisions that happen during a baseball game. OMG...should we hit and run? I can't take it. Do we pull this pitcher? Maybe they can poll the audience. We'll make sure they don't f*** up. B. If they think Dunn simply had an off year, then they aren't doing their homework. I don't watch much NL ball, but I can't believe he was missing so many balls by a foot or more prior to last year. He's all kinds of f***ed up. Like, me riding my bike home on a Friday night f***ed up.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 04:20 PM) Having outfielders doesn't mean being loaded with outfielders. The only one who has proven he's worth a s***, when healthy, is Carlos Quentin, and all signs point to him being dealt this offseason. It would be a quintessential Kenny signing.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) This post makes me feel a lot better about the future of the Sox. The problem is that we haven't produced many impact prospects. Baseball America makes money by touting the Brandon Wood's of the world, not the Chris Getz.' Though Getz might have a longer career. We've produced a ton of organizational filler bit have had to be creative with impact players. Those star quality players haven't lived up to their end and it makes KW look like a moron. If Rios, Dunn, and Peavy play well, he's a genius.

I can only imagine this crazy clubhouse where spies are needed. Rios doing lines off a strippers boobs. AJ and MB playing beer pong. Sale and Beckham pulling 6 ft bongs. Ramirez and Viciedo sacrificing a goat next to their Santeria shrine. JFP riding around naked on a painted pony with a bottle of Wild Turkey in an Indian headdress. And Sergio carrying a little cooler screaming "tamale! tamale!." Oh, the insanity.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 05:36 PM) Problem is the spy got a longer contract than the new manager. Could it be that's because he's really good at his job? Herm should be given a lifetime contract while they're at it.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) Moral? If you are trying to put together a close knit team that will support each other, it's tough if someone is whispering to the boss about little s***. If Kenny can't put together a team and then trust them, he f***ed up. It's baseball. What could these guys have been doing that they didn't want Kenny to know about? I guess snitches weren't a big deal when Anderson was riding the bench for kicking the s*** out of a Guillen kid. None of that even matters. I'm going to side with the guys who's been nothing but loyal to the club and been pretty damn good at his job. That guy isn't Ozzie Guillen.

Why shouldn't KW know everything that goes on in the clubhouse? It's his f***in team. He's the boss. He put of together. If he wants to sit on Konerko's lap in the dugout for every game, he can. Spies? Get the f*** outta here. Ozzie thought he was bigger than the Chicago White Sox. f*** him.

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This franchise has been around for over 100 years. It's not going anywhere. A rebuild isn't going to change anything. Where would the Sox go? There's already too many teams in MLB. Outside of this year, the franchise has been financially successful.

This thread makes absolutely zero sense.