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It appears they are ready to pay attention to defense. Maybe they are trying to start the winning part of this thing.

Good. Time to trim the fat. Way too many fucking 1B/DH types on this roster that are 1 WAR talents.

If there is one thing I trust Hahn with it's selling high on guys that are reclamation projects. Omar had a nice season offensively but now that the book is out on him he's going to see a lot more early fastballs and good luck if he can make an adjustment to get the bat off his shoulder earlier in counts. Plus he's the worst defensive catcher I think many of us long time fans have seen at the MLB level. Forget about framing, he can't even give a steady target to the pitcher he is constantly shifting his target during the windup.

let me just be the Nth person to say that comparing domestic violence, and nasty brutish domestic violence like addison is accused (and apparently did) of is especially NOT IN THE SAME UNIVERSE as cheating on your spouse/GF/Fiance don't sign woman beaters. who gives a shit about dopers and cheaters.

that's an insult to el caballo and teams are way too smart these days to give a multi year deal to someone like Avi. If he gets non tendered he'll have a hard time getting more than 1 year 6-7 million. Can't stay healthy, and is pretty much a 2 WAR talent even 100%. lol, our fearless leader when the deal went down:

not a chance if you want him to play more than 100 games. His body can't really handle more than 50-75 games outside 1B/DH anymore. As soon as 2020 he's a full time 1B/DH and that will kill his value. If there's a move to be made here as a 3rd team to grease the wheels do it but nothing about Cano himself fits with what Chicago, at least ostensibly, is trying to do.

yea but this is the offseason and a message board son.

it's a good sign when guys that would arguably be top 30 back end a few years ago are now roster victims. that said, in hindsight that trade (right now at least) was not the besssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

The default position on anything Mariners related should be: they fucked it up.

At least we aren't mariners fans. Yikes.

I'm terrified. Hahn hasn't proven he knows what he's doing and it appears he's being handed a blank check.

I've watched Cruz a lot here in Seattle. I think he's got another good season with the bat in his tank. But I don't really see why the Sox would sign him unless they are planning on clearing up room at DH and contending in 2019 and that means signing a lot more FA after Cruz. Maybe they are, if they spend a bunch of money I'll stop complaining for a minute.

Fuck off Hahn.

Fuck this organization.

They better not boof up this offseason.

I'm breaking my fast: good job boys. Fan game all around.

I feel you dude. This will be my last post until next spring or maybe winter meetings time. I really lost it the other day as really about 10 years of frustration with the Sox (and all my teams really, it's been by far the worst decade of my fandom for UM, USMNT, Bulls and Sox) boiled over on the Kopech news. Enjoy talking about the Sox guys, in general Soxtalk.com had a really great year IMO. Place got some new blood, new design, and the FutureSox crew continues to expand their work. See everyone in spring (or winter)!

This is huge set back I'm not sure how you can spin it otherwise. You just lost anywhere from 5-20 WAR over the next 4 years off your club.

Relying on your 21-23 year old athletes to accurately report pain is a lesson that should have been learned last year with Lopez. Really just blows my mind in a billion dollar industry with a million, multi million dollar asset, possibly a triple digit million dollar asset you're not monitoring him more closely. There should be a dude bro trainer on every single team that parties with these guys, is their buddy, and can accurately access their pain levels. Failing that, they need to be doing EVERYTHING possible to inform these kids that pain is not weakness and to be honest. The Sox failed here, they failed the minute they let him make that start and probably they failed months earlier when he was pitching with soreness in AAA and nobody did a wellness check on him.

The Sox fucked up. I'm not gonna sit here and say I saw it coming. I didn't. But hindsight is 20/20 and trading for young arms was in hindsight a mistake.

just to talk shop for a minute when I was in my mid 20s and still thought I was a badass and would never get a serious injury this pro body builder saw me doing deadlifts at his gym and we ended up talking. His philosophy was that the lower back is already one of the strongest parts of your body just from all the other things you ask it to do in daily life and other lifts. His feeling on deadlifts (olympic bar) is that the risk to benefit ratio was too low to recommend as a lift. And as a pretty successful body builder with a crazy v torso obviously it didn't hold him back too much. so from that point on I just stopped doing olympic bar deadlifts and went to the trap bar.

vehemently disagree. not only is it correlated in this case it was in hindsight a causal relationship. He was throwing that speed because of the pain. I know you want to defend your peers but the Sox' trainers failed epically here. He should never have made that start. It probably wouldn't have mattered but you never know.

trap bar dead-lifts are probably one of the safest power lifts you can do, especially how Kopech is setup with the bar slightly raised off the ground. Personally I only do trap bar deadlifts now. much easier to lock in form and not round back and risk injury.

They did better than the Sox, that's for sure. They ID'd the pain and problem early, did a shitload of diagnostics and shut him down and did PRT and other therapy. They were pretty successful, getting him to the point where he made another start, but ultimately they had to shut him down and schedule the surgery. Contrast that to the situation we have here where you've got dimished velocity, a young kid in pain that doesn't want to show it (just like Lopez) and a coaching and training staff that is completely oblivious. I gotta question for @ptatc: let's say that as a young trainer working a prestigious MLB job you're watching Kopech warm up. You're watching him with eagle eyes, as it's your career at stake here and you see him grimacing. You ask the gun guy to put a gun on him and you're seeing 93-94. At this point, does it not BEHOOVE YOU to raise a red flag, send it up the ladder, raise a bit of an alarm? How the fuck did the Sox let Kopech make that start? Again, JASON BENETTI NOTICED IT IN THE BOOTH.

That's not at all what happened. Unlike with Kopech, the Red Sox ID's his pain early and had the top elbow docs in the country to examine him ASAP. Contrast that to the scenario here where Kopech is throwing 93 in warmups, grimacing in pain, and nobody is wiser. Staff is out to lunch, asleep at the wheel and absolutely clueless.