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What was with the call on that last strike to Abreu, ump took like 3 extra seconds.

6 in 3 innings. Half way there.

There's#5.

Hey he made contact with 2 strikes. C'Mon chris!

2 strikes on Chirinos and...

Well sanchez and flowers both made contact, that's something. That's more than we'll see from the next couple batters. Of course, they're facing Chris.

Fielder made solid contact & out but otherwise that really wasn't fair.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:14 PM) "Selfie Sunday" is an actual promotion that's going to take place at the ballpark? We have the talent level of a AA team we may as well run AA quality promotions.

How long before Chris gives up and just throws at one of the hairpieces behind home plate?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) Was with the Tigers, got DFA'd, claimed by the Brewers. Well this makes a lot of sense in a thread about the White Sox and Rangers. By a lot, I mean zero.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 06:59 PM) Hernan Perez is worse than Sanchez. So there's that. Of course, he's already on his second organization this year. Who the f*** is Hernan Perez?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) Yes, but it's also not possible to imagine the White Sox offering a top 3-5 in the game salary to a hot/inexperienced managerial candidate. When is the last time a White Sox manager was even paid in the Top 10-15 in the majors? We were, on the other hand, willing to pay Hahn the highest assistant GM salary, Cooper the highest pitching coach salary, etc. Seems we kind of have things backwards...creating too many cooks and not enough chefs, with KW and Hahn both in ambiguous situations, and Cooper feeling he has more power and protection than any pitching coach in the game. From listening to his interviews and the mentality in which he addresses the fans, sometimes you have to wonder if they created a monster in the process of being so loyal for all those 27 or 28 years. I don't think we have a clue what the salaries are of the white sox managers and I don't believe they're required to disclose them.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) But why are the Bulls run differently??? I find it difficult to say the Bulls are run differently. John Paxson and Gar Forman seemingly have jobs that are as isolated from performance evaluations as Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn. They were able to replace the coach, but the coach they replaced was someone from outside the organization who they didn't trust in the first place. When personality conflicts arose, the people who won were the internal, organizational people. When that conflict arose, the person brought in from the outside was replaced...with a former player for the team who has a good working relationship with the team. Sounds like they're both run quite similarly to me.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) Sale is due for a letdown and the sox can't hit colby lewis. Sox lose 8-6 on a Robertson blown save. Or for tying an all time record. You know, either way.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) If you ask African-Americans in the South about people who fly the Confederate flag, you might get a different response. Same if you asked people who knew the history. Its use in the first half of this century was very little, it suddenly became an important symbol in the 1940s and 1950s again...because of exactly that reason.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:51 PM) So everyone but me knows everyone with the White Sox is the problem but Rick Hahn. Hahn was praised and praised and praised for the White Sox wheeling and dealing this past offseason, and when those players didn't perform, suddenly, he really had nothing to do with it. It was KW. It was JR. It's because Robin is managing. I don't mind Rick Hahn. I just don't understand assuming he is blameless here. (Raises hand like an excited 3rd grader who knows the answer) Oh, oh, I know someone who wants Rick Hahn removed!!!!!

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) Not could but will blow up. The farm system is the real problem. QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:53 PM) Noooooo. You need guys to build around. I'm thinking of Sale and Abreu. They are pillars. The problem with these 2 posts back to back is...if we're relying on the farm system to restock this team, and the farm system is as weak as the first post indicates...then we're stuck with a multi-year problem where Sale and Abreu are going to be surrounded with jack squat. Which is pretty much where I think we're going to spend the rest of the decade, FWIW.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) We'll see in a month. I'm not advocating "trade Sale now", but I certainly wouldn't be against it if they found a good trade that could bring back close-to-major league ready talent. I'm in that area also, I just struggle to find a matchup. There are teams that could do it but they're not moving the people it would take to do it. The unfortunate end result is that the Sox will hold him and continue losing and then hope nothing goes wrong where we're caught with him and wish we'd made a move for less.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) There's a team that just left town, that could potentially match up pretty well with the Sox. Glasnow, McGuire, Meadows, Bell, Hanson are pretty good Pirates prospects, and they have a real shot at the World Series this season. Unfortunately, with the way they're pitching right now, they don't exactly have the look of "team that really needs to add a starting pitcher".

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) So if you don't like someone's speech/beliefs you should deny them constitutional rights? That's the answer? There's no constitutional requirement that the government display the Confederate flag. And while people may have a constitutional right to be racist a** holes, I have a similar right to point out the connection between that and people being killed by a racist a**hole while doing what he believed racist a**holes should be doing. And when their whole state government decides "Hey it's a great idea to show off that we're racist a**holes", then I have a similar right to point out that "everyone being ok with a bunch of racist a**holes is part of the problem"

On page 1-3 of this thread it was asked several times why no one reported "Guy from South Carolina who owns a gun making racist remarks and threatening to kill people based on race" and the comments in several cases were effectively that they thought it was no big deal (hence why I added the quote on page 1). It's no big deal because that is normal.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) Baseball is full of hall of famers who wasted away on losing teams. Where did this logic ever come from? Just look at the HOF guys on the northside. You don't trade a guy unless you have the sure thing coming up. To rebuild you should have pillars in place. This is your defense for keeping them? Anyway, the reason why you don't trade Abreu is that everyone would look at him as the .840 OPS hitter he is this year rather than the dominant hitter he was last year in terms of trade value, and the White Sox are in a position where they can afford to wait to see if he finds that dominant streak from last year. What does it cost them to wait on him, more losses? We're gonna get that anyway.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) It's not a crappy value. It allows you a ton of draft flexibility in a supposed good draft. They need something good in return for Samardzija to deal him. IN the 2011 draft there are 3 players out of 26 picks in the comp round who have made the big leagues. In the 2010 draft, there are 9 players out of 19 picks that have made the big leagues. They have put up a cumulative bWAR of -0.3. The most put up by any player in that round 5 years later is 2.3 by Aaron Sanchez. If you go back farther you start finding some guys who have actually made it, including Garrett Richards and Rex Brothers. However, "a 50% chance of being in the big leagues 5 years out and about a 10% chance of being a solid major leaguer" is an accurate summation of the value of a player in the comp round. It's cute, but compared to almost anyone who has had success at AA or AAA I would vastly prefer the player.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) Not really. If the team trading for him doesn't give up atleast something comparable to a comp pick, you dont move him simple as that. There is no motivation for the Sox to move him for anything less than that. There is zero chance he accepts the qualifying offer. I think everything I said in that sentence was true. While what you also say is true, I would like to stress again that "a sandwich pick and the money to go with" is really a crappy value to get back for a player and would just be another sad comment on this season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 02:11 PM) Unless Jeff gets hurt, he'll get the QO. He hasn't been as good as we had hoped but he also hasn't been bad. Fair point on Alexei, I wasn't certain whether the option would impact things on comp side and it clearly would. If he hits a bit better (and he usually does as the season goes on), a team might value the flexibility of that option. Not saying we'd get a lot for him but should be able to get a guy who has the potential to be a league average starter (key being potential). Also worth noting that if a team trades for Samardzija, they would not receive a draft pick when he left, which will reduce the quality of offers available to us in trades as well.