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Leave people like me alone. We're not that funny

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) There are no pieces on the market right now that warrant the Sox overspending to get them because they will put the Sox over the top. The Sox have been very wise with their decision making and fiscal responsibility thus far, and when the time comes, the Sox will be able to open the purse strings a little bit. This team had a $120 or so million payroll not that long ago. They can open the pocketbook, but for a retooling team, spending a boatload of money early on isn't really necessary. They've also lost a lot of ticket sales since they last had that payroll. Last time they started a season with a payroll close to $120 they sold of >$10 million in salaries during the year and then cut payroll by another $20 million beyond that the next offseason.

For once, just dropping a personal note in that line.

Don Anderson was a helluva Geophysicist.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 05:10 PM) Was there any fighting between the officers and the the person. There isn't much info in the article or video. In the Brown case the officer was threatened. In this case, I haven't seen anything to make me think that. According to the anchor, the grand jury was asked to indict if there was malicious intent to kill. I highly doubt the officer intended to kill him so I'm not surprised there was no indictment. There was absolutely no fighting, the whole thing was on video. He's agitated but he's also surrounded by police officers. They approach to arrest him, he pulls his hands away a couple times, turning back and forth to the different officers, one grabs him from behind around the neck, pushes him to the ground while he's saying he can't breathe.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 12:38 PM) I know this gets said around here a lot, but if the White Sox are selling at the deadline this year, there has been a lot that has gone wrong for this franchise. We should not be hoping for this outcome whatsoever. I could totally see a scenario where they're looking to move Alexei at the deadline this year and would listen to offers on a few other guys as well.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 03:56 PM) The payroll is already at about $80M now, right? So he expects out payroll to remain the same as it was last season? I would have thought Hahn would add to the payroll. I put us at about $63-$64 million if Arb was offered to Viciedo, which it was. Plus $12 million for Laroche and $4.5 million for Duke puts us at within error of $80 million.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 01:28 PM) Pretty sure he was dealing with some severe back pain down the stretch last year, wasn't he? Just everything about that situation reminded me of Crede. He had a great 2006 up until September and then he was never, ever the same player again. If Donaldson is dealing with a long-term back issue and Beane did trade him then that's also pretty low right there, but then again it's also on Torotno for not doing their HW.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) How do you know that was a bad deal for Donaldson. Beane and company is pretty good at seeing something in players and making something of them. They generally always have good pitching. I saw some where that the pitcher graveman they got should slide right into the rotation next year. If you look at his stats he went from A ball to A+, AA, AAA and the majors last year. The ss prospect was pretty good and Brett Lawrie has had a very high ceiling but has been hurt. Beane is banking on getting him off the turf from Toronto and thinking that should keep him healthy and contributing. The trick is...even if for some reason the Oakland A's love the guys they got back and think they'll be really good, they wasted an opportunity at the time. They could have turned Donaldson into something more valuable and used other pieces to go after those guys if they really, truly loved them and thought that everyone else was undervaluing them. With as valuable of a player as Donaldson is, they should have been able to walk away with a bunch of guys they really like in addition to at least one player everyone out there really loves and would kill to have. We could call this the "Nestor Molina" rule. Yes, it made sense to move our closer, but we could have gotten more back for him and now we're missing out on that. Boston traded Josh Reddick for a closer later that year and even though our staff for some reason loved Molina, the better talent there won out easily. At the worst, we could have then turned Reddick into Molina + something else.

Really good advice.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:43 AM) Again the reason I believe Donaldson was traded was because he was going to get very expensive in arbitration. Beane wasn't ever going to lock him up so trade him now for prospects and use the money saved to invest back into team. Beane has to make every sent count with their payroll. It's going to be the same in trading samardzija. He gets to skip paying 10 million to him in 2015 and gets younger cost controlled prospects back. He does this all the time if some is getting close to free agency or going to get expensive in arbitration. And if Beane was willing to trade Donaldson for that reason, I'd have been willing to put together a better package than what he got if I were the White Sox GM. Everything in our system other than Rodon,Abreu,Sale, and Q would have been on the table. Hell, you might well have gotten me talking about Q.

Or else what?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) I was using a basis of a 6/105 for Valpo boy and a 6/150 for Lester. I'd still pick Lester out of the 2 if I have to give up Anderson or Semien to get the Viking.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) I know I'll be watching so I can only assume it will be popular. Who knows though. That could be another reason why they may want the most popular teams in the playoff year 1, but thats too much conspiracy for one day. They won't make a change for a couple years until they're confident in the money. They'll want to know that a game that is something like TCU versus Utah or something like that will still sell out and make money in the round of 8 first.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:21 AM) Since there is only one undefeated team and they also have warts its opens up to other teams outside of the debated top 4 to other top teams that have warts as well. Its the logical next step. Whether that is a logical step will of course depend on how much money they make on these rounds. If they are insanely profitable for a couple years and they're confident they can sell out 4 more games and get plenty of viewers, a round of 8 will happen. If not...

Let's hug it out.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) We don't even know if Tim Anderson's name has come up in talks with the A's. We have no idea if the price of Samardzija is Tim Anderson. If it is, the Sox won't be getting him. It's pretty simple. There's no reason for the A's to trade Samardzija if they're not getting a high level talent back. A team in competition this year should be willing to give up a top prospect in exchange for a season of a pitcher who put up 4 WAR last year. There's no reason for Beane to accept less than a high level talent. Certainly not as high as what he gave up to get Samardzija, but still a very high level guy. Of course, there was no reason for him to give up Donaldson for the weak haul he got, so maybe the White Sox could get a steal here and maybe that's why they were in this conversation in the first place, but "assuming Billy Beane doesn't make another silly move" seems like a reasonable standard from my POV.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) So Tim Anderson plus the difference between Samarj and Lester is worth somewhere close to $10 million a year for the next 6 years? I'd say absolutely yes (although I'm expecting it to be closer to $5 million a year extra with an additional year or two tacked on at the end). Over the last 4 years, Lester's averaged out to be a 4 WAR pitcher. Over the last 3, Samardzija has averaged out to be a 3 WAR pitcher. Lester has a better track record before that. Lester has more innings on his arm but is only 1 year older. Samardzija's best season would be Lester's 6th best season.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 10:03 AM) Because lester doesn't have a compensation pick his price will get really. I think his highest offer sofar is 6 yrs 138 million by cubs. Jon Heyman says don't be surprised if he gets up to 150 million. I'd prefer a deal like that with Lester to trading Anderson for Samardzija and extending him at anything close to 5/$100. The money's higher but if you're paying 9 figures to a pitcher anyway...Lester's a better pitcher and you don't have to trade away something to get him. Of course, given the option I wouldn't spend 9 figures on a pitcher at all.

God **** ing ****.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:55 AM) i am a little confuse, isn't Lester a comp pick?? Wait, you're right, Lester would not receive compensation, forgot about him being traded.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:49 AM) ok, i said i was not going to bring this up, but i have too. if the sox has to give up a group of major prospects, plus do a contract extension, i would sign Jon Lester. another option may be Ervin Santana. i would like to know what his terms would be. All of them require draft pick compensation, but compared to trading Anderson for Samardszija and then signing him to a 9 figure deal, all of those seem like better options.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 3, 2014 -> 09:49 AM) ok, i said i was not going to bring this up, but i have too. if the sox has to give up a group of major prospects, plus do a contract extension, i would sign Jon Lester. another option may be Ervin Santana. i would like to know what his terms would be. All of them require draft pick compensation, but compared to trading Anderson for Samardszija and then signing him to a 9 figure deal, all of those seem like better options.

D*mnit

Bloody hell.