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Jones out of the gate, Belisario, Lindstrom could be fillin options if he struggles, either Webb or Petricka could be set for that role long term.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) Not saying we would go after him, but if we did dump Keppinger and De Aza, our payroll would drop to about $ 83M. If Jerry sees the Cubs go after him big time, don't you think he might be willing to ante up? That's only if you don't count Abreu's signing bonus. If you're talking about Abreu's signing bonus, a posting fee for Tanaka, and big spending on the draft, you're talking about a huge amount being spent that isn't being counted in that payroll. A $20 million posting fee, for example, plus a chunk of Abreu's signing bonus, plus $11 million in draft spending, and we're talking $35-40 million not being counted even before Tanaka's actual salary. He makes so much more sense for a team that isn't working in so many rookies.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:46 PM) I use the Hawk barometer. If he starts hinting bad things about someone, the Sox think he is uncoachable. Did that happen with Viciedo?

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:41 PM) B level prospect not very close to the majors shiny enough for you? I'm not trying to completely crap on De Aza, but he's pretty darn mediocre once you figure out that he can't be an everyday CF. You're left with a LF who's most likely going to hit somewhere between his '12 and '13 #'s which amounts to somewhere around .275/.335/.405 with 12 HR's and 20 steals. Not a bad player by any means. but I can't see the market for his services being very hot ADA would be a guy that it would make a lot of sense for the Sox to grab someone talented and in A-ball.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) Now that they clearly need to fill in the pen a bit they have pieces to deal for that. I was surprised they dealt Reed, but not once I saw what they got. I'm happy with the righties in the pen as it is right now. I could see them adding another if they're willing to confine 2 of Rienzo, Webb, and Petricka to AAA no matter what. I could also see someone brought in on ST invites as competition there. An additional lefty would make sense.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:24 PM) I agree, still way to early to give up on Viciedo. With a good year, he can easily be part of the core. The problem with Viciedo is we don't know what the coaching staff says about him behind the scenes. They could think he just had a bad year and the injuries made it worse...or they could be calling him "uncoachable". If the staff doesn't think they can salvage him, this staff will still be here this year, so it would make more sense to get whatever you can for him now and let someone else take a shot at him.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) So it looks like one of De Aza and Viciedo are likely to go and then Gillaspie and Keppinger? With L. Garcia or Elmore being the backup? There was also a "They're still trying to move Dunn, De Aza" blurb early in this thread. Levine I think. I'd guess 3 of De Aza, Dunn, Gillaspie, and Keppinger aren't with this team opening day.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) Top prospect list, not arb. D'Oh.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) Anyone think that Gillaspie could be moved next? Keppinger could just fill in at third until Davidson got promoted. I know Miami has been desperately looking for someone and Gillaspie has shown he can be decent and hes a left-handed bat. It's difficult to see any situation where Davidson isn't the starting 3b out of ST other than injury. I think it's very obvious Gillaspie will be moved. They may hold onto him through ST hoping they can find a buyer if he has a good spring, but they're not going to block Davidson with him unless someone gets hurt, and there's zero space for Gillaspie on this roster. I'd say there's a real good chance Gillaspie is moved and Keppinger is uncerimoniously dumped somewhere as well. Neither of them fit on this roster that well.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:14 PM) Eaton and Avi aren't eligible, right? So Abreu, EJ, Semien and Davidson I assume is how they have it. Ya, not bad. Borth Eaton and Avi have 2 seasons before they are arb eligible, 2016 is their first Arb eligible season.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) I don't see Rienzo in the rotation. Sale Quintana Johnson Danks Paulino Jones Lindstrom Belisario Webb Petricka Veal Leesman Rienzo to AAA, will be the first call up in case a starter is needed. I can see that working too. My assessment of guys would have Webb be the guy who gets extra time in AAA because I think he needs it the most, but basically as it stands now one of Webb, Rienzo, Petricka, and Johnson winds up in AAA (and 2 of them wind up in the pen).

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:06 PM) Looks about right. I think Veal has got to be a lock for one of the lefty spots though. With the kind of aggressiveness Hahn is showing, I'd actually be kind of surprised if we don't see him grab a LH reliever somewhere.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:03 PM) Even if Davidson turns into Morel, it's still a good move today. He's a top 100 prospect with good power at a corner position traded for a good, but not great closer on a team that just lost 99 games. The trade is good today. Now it's up to Davidson to play. And for the Sox coaching staff to (gulp) help him through whatever difficulties he has.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) Santiago was too erratic to be a "core" guy for my two cents. That could have changed, but just something about those types of pitchers, it seems they usually don't settle into a dependable type pitcher. They turn into Edwin Jackson's and Javy Vazquez's. To be fair, at least one of those guys has been on several competitive teams and positively contributed to their rotations.

Jones Lindstrom Belisario Paulino (presumably he has to be on a big league roster) Petricka/Webb 2 lefties Looks like the basic setup for the pen to me as of now, am I missing anything? Perhaps Rienzo/Johnson could struggle in ST and Paulino take a position in the rotation with both Petricka and Webb taking bullpen slots, but I'd rather push the kids.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) Are you some secret millionaire? Otherwise how the hell do you have enough coin to purchase mlb.com? I'd have to imagine that site is worth millions.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:59 PM) Who's our closer now? Jones probably out of spring training. Long term options involve allowing Webb, Petricka to step up. Perhaps Belisario if he could get his act together as well.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) Not no value, but considerably less value. Like, maybe not enough value that someone would give you their starting Closer value. If he didn't hack it at 3b Towers may have felt this was highest value he'd get. I'm not saying I love moves AZ is making but that's the thought process. The other part of AZ's thought process is that they want to find guys who can help them compete right now, filling holes they have right now, but they don't want to spend too much in $ terms in the process. Therefore, they need to find established guys who can help them right now but are also cost-controlled for the next couple seasons. If they're going to do that, then they need to be willing to give up MLB-ready guys who probably would need to struggle through a season or two before they'd be ready to help a contributor. The White Sox can take those guys on and let them struggle if it gives them an upgrade or fills a need because 99 losses.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:50 PM) Does Santiago count as 2 starters even though he was only 0.5 starter?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:18 PM) With all due respect, who gives a s*** about Connor Gillaspie? With Davidson coming in, he isn't the 3B of tomorrow. He isn't even the 3B of today anymore. Unless Davidson isn't ready, you send Connor to Charlotte. If someone claims him, oh well. If you write this deal as "Gillaspie + Reed for Davidson" it might look slightly worse. Not hugely, but he's still an asset. Sadly, there'd be a solid role for Gillaspie on this team if it hadn't kept...well...you know.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) You may be right, I thought he had played some OF and 2B, but likely confused with someone else. He's played 2 games in LF in his professional career and never played any mid-IF position in professional ball (including minors). He can cover 3b and 1b...2 positions where we're loaded.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:05 PM) Hate to use a total cliche but strikeouts are just another out. K's become a problem when you aren't getting on base and you are k'ing often with runners in scoring position. I can't find his minor league #'s with RISP at the moment but his obp is just fine. Adam Dunn managed to be a darn good player for quite a few years despite K'ing a ton, and I could list a whole bunch more too. If he can stick at 3rd with at least average D and hit .265/.330/.500 with 30 hr's on a yearly basis he will be just fine. Great move by Rick. The problem of course is, if he's striking out 150 times in the big leagues and hitting 30 HR that works, if his strikeouts go any above that then suddenly he's Mark Reynolds.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) This hopefully also means the end of Kepp on the bench, Gillaspie makes much more sense, other than that little $8.5 million still owed. Gillaspie makes zero sense on the bench. He can only back up 1 position. That would leave backups for DH, C, and 3b on the bench, and 1 backup covering 5 other positions. Gillaspie's LHness is nice but he's not nearly flexible enough.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 02:57 PM) I just hope we can keep Gillaspie and find all ways to get rid of Keppinger. Love what Hahn has done so far. There is virtually no way that Gillaspie and Davidson can be on this roster simultaneously. Only way it works is if Gillaspie starts working on his SS and 2b game right now.

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