Balta1701

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) Agreed. But her BAC was found to be .04 Look, no one knows right now what happened, but there are clearly holes. The accuser's attorney has said very specifically that the accuser was not intoxicated, but her story has been reported to have been different earlier on too. It's looks to be pretty clear that the DA didn't have much to go on here. The point I'd stress is...if Winston raped her...her story would still have holes. That's just how witness stories are. His story would probably have an equal number of holes, perhaps more again depending on alcohol content. But you're right, that's why it's difficult to prosecute these cases...especially if there isn't an instant reaction. If there's no corroborating witness and no obvious physical trauma recorded by a medical profession or investigator...it comes down to a he said/she said case.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) Depending on how they're hitting, I'd rather have Konerko up than Phegley, Flowers, Viciedo, Beckham, and Dunn (versus lefties). There are a few spots where he's ok pinch hitting. May as well add Keppinger versus a righty unless you need a grounder to the right side, and Danks versus lefties too. Just to stress though...in all of these situations other than Phing for the lefties, by having our PH guy be a righty, we're sacrificing any shot at having a positive matchup. So in all those cases, it's Konerko versus a righty. Paul Konerko's OPS against righties last year was worse than every single one of them except Phegley. In some cases...by a lot.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) Absolutely not at all what I said. Do you go out of your way to warp people's words? Or do you just feel some sort of obligation to take the opposite side of every single issue? My post was a further example of things that have changed in her story. That information came from the released affidavit today so it's not just some theory. In no way was I victim blaming. I was pointing out a huge example of what you were previously trying to defend. Oh, ok, I get you, my apologies I misunderstood that you were specifically saying that was part of her story that changed. My bad, I read it as you saying the alcohol was a reason why her story shouldn't be believed. (That said...having a substantial quantity of alcohol is very much a reason why her story might have changed over time).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:14 PM) Yes, there probably will be a Chicago/Charlotte shuttle. It happens every year. And in the case of emergency, the 12th pitcher could always be sacrificed for a few days depending on the situation. I'm pretty sure they've more commonly wound up with a 13 man rotation over teh last few years than an 11 man rotation.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:12 PM) The Sox aren't going to buy out either Keppinger or Dunn. I'm sure they'd pick up money to move them. You essentially go into the season with full intentions of Alexei playing every single day. I don't think it's something he really minds. If he gets hurt, Beckham or Keppinger plays SS for the rest of that game; if it appears like it's going to be a thing that keeps him out, you option a pitcher or put him on the DL and call up a shortstop. That might seriously be the best way to handle it. I agree that's probably how it will go down. Now ask yourself this question...where is there use for a RH hitting PH in that scenario? Pinch hitting for De Aza and Gillaspie, and that's about it.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) Yes, you have an emergency backup in Dunn. I'm suggesting the team wants a no pressure situation to protect their biggest investment. Around July when Abrue has already played his usual full season, I can see having Konerko would be a good thing. I agree with Balta there is a chance they will mismanage the situation. But in bringing Abreu up to MLB levels having the most flexibility, including him resting for a couple games, is a great tool. I see signing Paulie as being 90% about Abreu and 10% Konerko. Abreu has never topped 400 abs in a season. Having him jump to 600+ and lpaying no matter what is possibly not the smartest move for the future of the franchise. If Jose Abreu needed rest after 400 PA's, they should still push him to 500 on the season if for no other reason than tog et him used to the position. That's ~15 games to split between Dunn and Keppinger at 1b (particularly since we still have interleague games with no DH in there).

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) I guess I just don't see the harm in having 1 utility infieder, and 1 utility outfielder. Why is it a "flaw" to have 2 guys that can play 3 positions? I thought versatility was a good thing? How often does a team sit 2 infielders on the same day? Wouldn't having 1 guy suc for all 3 positions be better because he's getting more regular at bats? That's tolerable although still slightly weak. The problems with it are; you have to spend $9 million on Keppinger's buyout to make it happen, and then you have Gillaspie no longer being a platoon 3b, he becomes an everyday 3b.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THE WHITE SOX OFFSEASON IS OVER? So we need to spend $2.5 million to sign Konerko, spend $9 million to get rid of Keppinger, and then spend another couple million on a super-utility guy to make our bench manageable. Or we could trade for one, giving away a player to fill that role and then adding another $500k minimal salary. This is getting to be one really expensive backup DH.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) Back to Granderson, I don't think anyone saw this asking price coming. Bloody hell! When I thoguth that 3/$40 was about a fair asking price for him, I assumed he'd beat that, which is why when people were talking about him in the $20's last week I was surprised and was saying go for it.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:49 PM) Seriously, what is the difference between having 5 guys DH as opposed to 2? If you have other guys that can fill in at other positions with the 2 remaining bench spots then why is it such a big deal? If we have to keep Kepp, what is the big deal about playing Beckham 10 times a year at SS? If we can trade Kepp, what's wrong with a PK-Catcher-Garcia-Danks bench? Oh, I've got one more. Trading Keppinger basically makes Gillaspie a full time starter at 3b rather than a platoon player. Yeah Garcia could get some at bats there, but he's the primary backup everywhere else so Gillaspie is going to be facing most of the lefty pitchers we face.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:56 PM) They don't let you keep 26 guys on the roster. Part of what you highlighted was "if we could dump Keppinger". That lets the bench he wrote actually exist, Konerko/Catcher/Danks/Garcia.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:34 PM) Including taking so many shots she didn't even remember the cab home? But then not being drunk at all? She could be an unfortunate victim who will not get justice or she could have just made it up. It's a he-said, she-said but there were many holes in her story it seems. I hate this kind of thinking because this is getting really close to "it was her own fault if it happened".

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:49 PM) Seriously, what is the difference between having 5 guys DH as opposed to 2? If you have other guys that can fill in at other positions with the 2 remaining bench spots then why is it such a big deal? If we have to keep Kepp, what is the big deal about playing Beckham 10 times a year at SS? If we can trade Kepp, what's wrong with a PK-Catcher-Garcia-Danks bench? The Indians had 1 guy on their roster who was useless at positions other than DH. The White Sox basically have 2. The comparison was to the Indians, so that means the White Sox have more dead space on their bench than the Indians did. "If we can trade keppinger" is the problem. To move him right now we're going to have to eat >$5 million (IMO I'd guess the White Sox would actually have to eat all $9 million remaining on his deal). Why is that a good idea? Why do we need to pay that money to create a roster spot for a guy who can't play the field? That bench, as you wrote it is slightly better than the one we'd be looking at if we didn't buy out Keppinger because now it actually has a lefty, but still has the flaw of 1 guy backing up 3 positions.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:45 PM) You already have a backup 1b in Dunn. You can then fill the DH spot with one of your OFs or 3B options. Furthermore, we also have an emergency/alternate RH backup 1b in Keppinger who can fill the role in short bursts.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) Just a reminder, it's December 5th. The season doesn't start for 116 days.That's a great justification. I'll keep digging my way into this hole, but don't worry I have plenty of time to build some stairs.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) Not really. You sort of had to pay Keppinger anyway. But if he were to next year play like his career averages he could go right back to almost being worth what he's paid. Instead, either he or Dunn don't fit on this roster right now.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:33 PM) Hadn't thought of it that at but it could make sense to release him. I guess since Paulie is signed and will be on the bench, the best we can hope for is a trade where we eat salary and get pretty much nothing but the open roster spot in return. I still hold on to the hope of that twelver and preferably silver bullets. And if we release Keppinger...then the cost of signing Paul Konerko this season is now over $10 million.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) So the other DNA om her was her boyfriends. Sounds like she claimed assault to cover up her messing around. girls with boyfriends don't get raped? Come on man. That doesn't establish a thing.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) So you are saying Keppinger and Dunn could have brought back something useful before Konerko's decision, but not now? This has no effect on either's value if they are actually coveted by other teams. If I were considering taking on say, $7 million of Adam Dunn's remaining contract in the position of an opposing GM, yesterday I'd drop that to $5 million, no question. The White Sox just surrendered bargaining power. Their roster doesn't work right now and they're forced to make a move.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:21 PM) That kind of stuff doesn't happen very often. It could happen, and is a reason why this isn't exactly ideal. Why don't you see what the White Sox actual roster looks like when they actually have to play the games before complaining about what happens if Garcia has to miss 2 games because he gets hit by a pitch. The Sox said they can make it work. The Indians made it work with the same type of guy. They didn't have a regular DH other than him. Santana was DH in 47 games. Giambi DH'd in 58 games. 17 games for swisher, 20 games for Reynolds, 17 games for Raburn. Giambi filled Adam Dunn's role on that team. We're carrying an extra one of those.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:21 PM) 2 things. 1: does Danks have options left? 2: what do we do with Keppinger? Obviously trading him is best case scenario but who would be interested? I suppose the clerk at the liquor store might give up a twelver but would the clerk take on that salary? Any smart organization would look at the white sox roster and think there's a better chance Keppinger just gets released and the White Sox eat his entire contract after Konerko was signed. Just like with Dunn, if I had any interest in him before this signing, the price I'd pay just went down, not up.

QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:15 PM) She changed her story 4 different times over that time. Unfortunately, that is very normal for a "witness" to any event, particularly a traumatic one. Memory sucks, and it gets worse with time.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:07 PM) It's not ideal, and they won't be short a pitcher, but what it means is a guy like Leury or Elmore or another guy they acquire who can play both the infield and outfield will be on the bench instead of someone who is strickly an infielder or an outfielder. You also improve your pinch hitting, as Paulie, even when depleted, has hit lefties, and if a tough lefty starts and they go to a righty, Dunn will be available. Right now, I would guess the guys on the bubble because of this are Keppinger and Jordan Danks. Not exactly franchise changing players. The trouble with "improving the bench right now" is that it actually doesn't. First of all, aside from Gillaspie, our entire bench is RH. Furthermore, outside of De Aza and Dunn, there aren't lefties in the lineup. In other words, if paul konerko is pinch hitting late in the game...it doesn't improve the matchup unless he pinch hits for Dunn after a lefty is brought in. Furthermore, it was noted to me in the other thread how hesitant the White Sox are to use their backups at the catcher's position when they only have 1 backup. We've all seen this through the years, usually the guy who starts the game finishes the game and only rarely do they sub in. Now, the "one backup" state that we have for catcher is the same situation 5 different positions are in. If its an RBI situation, outside of 1b, 2b and 3b, Konerko pinch hitting leaves no one on the bench capable of playing those positions if an injury happens. If you stick Leury in CF in the 7th inning after Konerko pinch hits and then Viciedo turns an ankle or something like that, we get to see Keppinger in LF. The proper reaction to that would be to be even more hesitant to pinch hit for anyone because there is only 1 backup for the entire OF and SS positions. On top of that...what happens if, for example, Viciedo or Garcia get hit by a ball and need 2-3 days off and legitimately can't go? On those days...there are zero backups on the entire roster. You can't pinch hit for Leury or anyone else because you don't have a single backup for those positions. Basically, they need to cut Keppinger or Dunn to make this work, because otherwise it's a trainwreck, and any team the white sox approach in a trade should knwo that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) No I'm not. This is a guy who has a now defined role, both he and the team confirmed it. The complainers are ignoring it. And having him in that role makes the team worse right now.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) That was a really, really weird press conference. As an FSU fan, I'm glad the case is closed. As a human, this all sucks. And Florida is f***ed up. Based on what is publicly known, I can't say the last 2 parts there, because everything points to there being zero physical evidence, it's just a he-said she-said case. If it was a rape...the accuser made sure the case couldn't be prosecuted by waiting a year to go to the police. Any physical damage or even circumstantial testimony is so old there you can't bring charges. The only way there could have been charges is if there was some evidence no one knew about or some witness no one knew about.