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QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 11:36 AM) I completely agree. The sox shouldn't give up a key piece of their future and present for Dunn like Hudson. Viciedo has upside on offense. But it prob. will be hard for him to keep up the numbers he's putting up now. Dayan may put up good power numbers. But his avg.,non-existent OBP and defense leave a lot to be desired. But reality is...the asking price for Dunn has been so far above even Hudson + Viciedo (it's been Beckham), and even if that price drops, no one thinks that it'll drop below Hudson + Viciedo.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 11:31 AM) If Viciedo's ceiling is 30 Hr's with a .250 avg, I think the sox would part with him in a trade for Dunn. I wouldn't call that his "Ceiling", he's got the ability to push well beyond 30 HR. I think that's a likely place for him to come in, but it's not his ceiling. He's got the power in that bat to push well beyond 40 HR, esp. if he is slightly more selective on pitches. But hypothetically, if that were his ceiling...that's the kind of player who should be an ideal centerpiece in a trade for a guy like Dunn...but for the deals we've been talking about, he wouldn't even be the best talent required to do it, Hudson would be.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 11:20 AM) The sox have done very well knowing the "ceiling" and "floors" of their minor league talent. Viciedo might produce 30+ HR's. But it might be with a .220 avg like Chris Young, but without the defense, speed and OBP. I think a .220 average with Viciedo is nearly impossible and I struggle to think how a scout would expect him to do so...because he's putting the ball in play so much even already in the big leagues. If he's hitting 30+ HR, he'd have to sustain a BABIP under .250 to pull off an average that low.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 11:07 AM) We'll see what his value is and what Kenny decides. IMO, Dayan's worth more to a young, non-contending team than he is to the Sox I totally disagree on this. I think a big part of the problem is that the guys the Sox have are probably undervalued on the trade market compared to where they are for the Sox. Right now, the Sox happen to have guys who fill the exact holes they anticipate having on their roster (SP, DH/1b, C) next year, which is a useful thing to have, and because their system isn't viewed well, guys like Viciedo or Hudson who would be brand name players already if they had been hitting in the Red Sox or Rangers organizations are viewed with extra skepticism. I think there's a real good chance than in a few years, DV is a 30+ HR legitimate hitter, and I think most of the Sox brass probably agrees with me. If you're dealing a guy like that, you ought to be able to get back a solid return for him. Instead, he's sort of a complimentary trade piece right now because his first year in the US he struggled with adapting and with the bats.

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QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:55 AM) Who in their right mind would take Teahen? It was a ridiculous trade to begin with. He should have went after Hudson and keep Beckman at 3rd or stayed with Getz. Chris Getz is hitting .233 with a .575 OPS on the season.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:54 AM) So he's still day to day? I'd assume so, but aren't we all? The important thing is to have him healthy and in the lineup on Wednesday when we face Felix.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:46 AM) The Tigers would rather go after Aramis Ramirez or someone of that sort, not Mark Teahen. Well of course they'd rather do that, but the price would be higher.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:36 AM) Look at our top three picks from 2009 draft if you need an example. Bah, that's not fair. There's probably an equal chance that if you trade Dunn for Flowers and Viciedo that Flowers and Viciedo will get hurt as there is that our 2009 draft would get injured.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:33 AM) Using that rubric, 16/40 of Heath Bell's appearances have been bad. 10/35 of Papelbon's appearances have been bad. Those are just the first two random names I looked at. 7th inning situations are tough, so are 8th, but I don't think you can apply the same standards to the ninth inning. I also don't think you can apply the same standards when someone is up 9-1 (or even 6-3) when seeing if they gave up 2 walks/hits. Occasionally relievers pitch around a particular batter, for example . Papelbon's been very disappointing this year and has gone through probably the worst stretch of his career mid-june. The BoSox have one of the bottom bullpen ERA's in the AL and are looking at the same trade names we are, including possibly Soria.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:25 AM) So is Quentin's wrist still bothering him? It appears Hudson had a good game (I'm looking at his pitch f/x charts), he threw his fastball, slider, and change for strikes nearly 65% of the time and got a good whiff rate on his change and slider. Good to see him bounce back, even if the Mariners can't hit. The thing that did impress me is he really fooled Ichiro a lot by changing speeds on the outer half.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:25 AM) So is Quentin's wrist still bothering him? He re-injured it while sliding into 3rd on sunday.

Seriously? The motion was denied.

Btw, if it is from the same city that you're in, I'd guess it's fairly likely that it's someone you know, or at least know indirectly.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 09:39 AM) Kotsay reminds me of the Nix situation. He's outlived his usefulness and he's still being trotted out there. If it's not Dunn added, another LH bat needs to replace Kotsay. And yet, Nix has been a better than solid bat in Cleveland's lineup.

I still think Shaq is a very bad fit for the Bulls roster.

What they said. But yeah, thanks for thinking of me.

Oh, and from the list of still living...the Gilmore/Waters lineup for the Pink Floyd.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 04:12 AM) KW tinkered a lot going into 2006, and what did it get him? A 90+ win team, a pennant race, some really exciting baseball, and a team that was a couple of Mackowiak benchings from a playoff team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 19, 2010 -> 11:50 PM) If the Cubs can dump some money, they would have to do it. I almost wonder if something more Cabrera-esque could happen where they get A-Ram, but also have to take on Z. I can't remember the last time I saw a team take on that much salary as a "dumped" player.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 09:32 AM) Yeah, I think he was alluding to the fact that Gordon was the player Seattle supposedly wanted for Lee. And considering who they got for him, that appears to be the going rate.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 09:26 AM) Dayan's put up better numbers than I thought he would. Yet the fact that the sox would rather put Omar out there almost everyday over Dayan for his defense alone, and have Kotsay play even though he's not hitting his weight and could play Dayan at 1b or DH, gives a bit of a hint as to what his plans are on the Sox. DV could be hitting like Buster Posey and Ozzie would still be making sure Kotsay got his at bats.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 09:29 AM) I'm assuming he meant Clifford. Which confused me, because somehow, I don't think Texas would be game for that deal.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 09:15 AM) There's a reason why he could still net a big fish like Lee if Kenny wanted to part with Gordon. Lee who? Carlos Lee?

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