Balta1701

Ok, so, we have flattened the curve nationwide as of May 1. I agree with that, the nation was no longer spiking. That was a genuine success. Therefore, nothing additional can open beyond what was open in the time period April 15 to May 1, otherwise things will start going back up and the curve will no longer remain flat. So we maintain the quarantine at that level for the next 18 month, the Virus is allowed to spread at that rate, and the curve remains flat. Right? See the problem? If you want to be able to open things back up and allow more personal contact, you have to have something pushing the opposite direction to limit its ability to spread. Something that wasn't available to you when you started your act of last resort (the shutdowns).

Depends on how you define pissing it away. You're absolutely right that researchers are working on stuff, probably to an extent never before seen in human history. Worth adding the detail that the US is refusing to participate in international groups working on the stuff, but anyway that's beside the point. Where we did "piss it away" was in our failure to actually bend the curve downward anywhere but New York. When Italy wanted theirs downward, they put people indoors using every bit of authority they could. We haven't established a tracing program, we didn't take steps to get out in front of infections in tightly packed locations (Jails, meatpacking facilities), we didn't take steps to quarantine people away from their families after they tested positive (hotels), we just haven't done the type of work the government needed to do. See the thread on the previous page about a person coming home to Hong Kong, being put in a government-run facility, tested, informed of everything they were going to have to do, held there and fed while waiting for test results, assigned a GPS tracker, and given instructions on a 14 day arrival quarantine? Is the US doing any of that type of systematic, hard work to try to control flareups? Not at all.

Gaetz didn't actually get it yet, or at least it wasn't reported so, but he was around Rand Paul on the day that Paul got tested in the morning, went to the gym, and then came back positive at noon, so he had to quarantine for 14 days.

Well the obvious problem is that answer is literally unknowable until the season is played. We're about to see big surges in case numbers across the country, so are people going to be watching more or less TV as that happens? What happens if there is only 1 league running? How much extra revenue do they get for extra playoff series?

No, do you think there is going to be a downside?

You did notice that yesterday was the highest number of new cases Texas has had, and that this state has basically doubled its 5-day moving average since Abbott began relaxing restrictions in late April, right?

Was it @bmags who had the last update on reinfections saying that the supposed recurring cases in Korea were due to virus fragments left over in the blood causing positive tests, and that you couldn't actually be infected twice?

Hey @NorthSideSox72, remember when I said that the Wisconsin Supreme Court was obviously going to overturn the Governor's Stay at Home order because they're Republicans and you outlined all the legal details for why the governor had that authority, as though the Republicans on the Supreme Court cared about the Rule of Law? Some folks would like to laugh at you.

They've recommended the one that shows 0 deaths from it so that you can know they're doing a great job. I'm not sure I'm kidding.

Our city opened up dog parks today but they would like the dogs to follow social distancing recommendations. i am not making this up.

So a few days ago New York reported that they're suddenly seeing kids in the hospital and even dying a few weeks after COVID infections and now that they're looking for it they've identified 100 examples of it. Somehow it seems related to kids that were infected with weak cases but it's not at all understood yet. Anyway, this one seems worth noting particularly if you have kids. They might have it, show very weak or no symptoms, and then a few weeks later start showing something like this, triggered by the initial infection.

China absolutely crushed this in 2 months. They still have flareups, but they don't have 10,000 new cases per day, they have a handful, after being in a situation almost as bad as ours was to start. The United States has barely made a dent in this over the past 2 months. Italy has hammered theirs in 2 months. Spain has hammered theirs in 2 months. 2 months of a real, sustained effort could have knocked this down to very little transmission. What things you can open from there is a question we don't know the answer to, but we have already seen how failure to do what is necessary has prolonged this for the US.

What's the 5 day average in total confirmed cases doing up there? We're going upwards.

What you're not realizing at all is that an economy with this out there cannot exist. If you let burn through everything by declaring too many businesses open, then all of the health care resources go into taking care of the sick, and literally nothing else can run because we can't have car accidents ro anything else like that. New York City could not have run for the last month and a half, and that's not just because of transmission, it's because of the number of ambulances running everywhere. Second, if you have 10% of a city that is sick with this, those 10% are out of commission for weeks at a time. New York City couldn't have run for the past month also because so many people were sick that businesses which were hard hit couldn't have opened their doors if they wanted to. Then kids get sick, and that takes the parents out of work. Or one parent gets sick and now the other has to stay home with the kids. It's not a tenable situation for business - to have 10, 20% of your workforce out on any given day. Third, a substantial fraction of your population is high risk for various reasons, age or pre-existing conditions. The more you open things up, the more we are going to shut our doors. Even if it's just 25% of the population, if 1/4 of the people out there say "nope not doing anything other than groceries", do all those industries you want survive? Does your hairdresser pay rent if 25% of their customers stop coming? No they don't, that shuts down the economy too. Fourth...all those other little people you never cared about. The ones who don't have health insurance, the ones who don't earn enough, the people of the wrong racial background, the immigrants. They might get forced to go back to work to get sick, but they're going to do whatever they can to minimize risk to their family. They're going to go into survival mode. That's going to shut down the places they work, and that's hitting your food processing facilities right now. If your state has 250 cases per day, and no one knows where they're coming from, you cannot have a functioning economy because too many people will go into shelter mode. If your state has more cases than that, then you start expanding rapidly enough that it begins taking over all the other resources of the economy.

Has anyone ordered these through Fanatics or through MLB.com? They're listed as possibly not shipping until June 25.

If we had a professional government this actually is something we could have dealt with over the last 2 months. Close everything down in mid-March, and then start having the CDC draw up plans for basically every industry and what type of protections they need. Can people use the restrooms? Can we assess air flow pathways? If a person gets sick, how does a full business access testing? You could have done things like "drop meat-packing plants to 50% capacity, then have the other workers designing the systems early". Maybe there's some places that just default to staying closed, or they identify their highest-risk groups and have them specifically work from home to cut the overall risk to the facility, but this could have been done. When our economy can't open, it's not because people like me are stubborn, it's because we haven't done the hard work to figure out how to actually deal with this situation.

In Washington state, they had a hotline where people could call in to report businesses violating the quarantine procedures there. A public records request gave the contact information of people who had reported various businesses, and now you can read the threats those individuals have gotten. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-10/far-right-coronavirus-harassment

Think about people with kids. Are we going to put 2000 kids into each school in the fall, especially when we know that bathrooms, small rooms are excellent places for transmission? Even if you clean things, you're going to have transmission all over the place. Even if you ignore the new version of SIDS hitting recently infected kids in New York state these days, you're simulating the Korean clubs pretty readily. Then the teachers get infected and 1/4 of them are out of commission for a month, how does that school run? And you're a parent right, do your kids ever get you sick? So, are we going to leave schools from home in the fall? How could society function with that? People can't leave home because they have to care for their kids with the schools closed, but if the schools are open then you have every one of them probably becoming a rapid transmission location.

When you have hundreds of thousands of untracked cases nationwide, there's no such thing as a targeted approach. You could do a targeted approach if you got the number of cases down to manageable, but as you said above, our society couldn't handle that.

If the players hold to that, then there will be no season. While this is clearly an offer that would benefit owners long-term (precedent especially), with no gate revenues the owners can't pay current contracts, so it will be genuinely up to the PA to decide whether avoiding that precedent is worth sacrificing any season.

Yeah, so 2 ties, around the back of your head, one over your ears, one below your ears, cover both nose and mouth. Do not touch the front after you put it on, until it has been cleaned.

Linked it a couple days ago so

Is the design something like this?

Which takes longer, a haircut or exchanging dollars outside for a mask? I'd imagine the latter transaction took seconds, while the former would take what, 20 minutes? Which one of those is in a tight, enclosed space with limited airflow, and which of them was in a spot with a breeze? Barbers are specifically a setting where transmission is likely, even with a mask, because any person that is infected will be there for a while, touch a lot of surfaces, and put a lot into the air. By the way, congratulations on overcoming your reluctance to find a mask.