Balta1701

The last 2 years, Joc got to 0 balls as a CF that, for an average CF, were 50/50 or worse. He got to 2 balls out of 40 as an outfielder in general that were less than 50/50 shots. He is fairly reliable at nearly routine plays but apparently since 2017 he will not get to anything difficult at any OF position. This performance is a notable downgrade from what he was doing in 2015-2016, where he appears to have gotten to roughly an average number of difficult balls.

He was hurt last year?

The only way people got to that point was by saying that the Dodgers would rule out trading him to anyone who would possibly be competitive with them next year and that leaves only a weak team like the White Sox standing.

Cease, Dunning, Hansen, and a 2019 draft pick to be selected in June are all poor options for the 2019 White Sox opening day rotation.

That Jose Abreu is getting paid more than he would get on the FA market does not mean that all players on the FA market will get more than they are worth.

Will they actually try to play him?

Would that also make him Fulmer's pitching coach?

If people are talking about getting Pederson for something centered around Bush, it doesn't have to be much for them to offer a better deal than us. I will confess my current ignorance of their system though.

You're right, they definitely need OF help. I wonder if they could find one to trade for, under control for a couple years and fairly cheap, where people are for some reason arguing that the team will take a discount to send him into the other league. I wonder who might fit that description.

Wasn't the AL Central equally bad last year when the White Sox were a 62 win team?

The 2018 AL Central champs had 2 guys in the top 6 of the MVP voting and 2 guys in the top 6 of the Cy Young voting.

Not unless Renteria and Cooper are the best coaches of young talent in history. The gap between us and even a .500 record, with Machado in the fold, is still large. So far this year the White Sox have basically treaded water with their acquisitions compared to last year. Adding Eloy will be a jolt, but even Eloy + Machado + Joc still leaves this team well below .500 - the only way to that level is substantial improvement from guys already here. To talk about competing, you're talking about those kids who struggled so much last year winning 15 or 20 more games on their own.

Per Jon Heyman, the Braves are on the list. Joc would make far more sense for them as they could use the upgrade over Adam Duvall and have the benefit of being able to say they can win 90 games next year as they won 90 games last year. They are a far better fit than us, so why the Dodgers would give us a big discount on him I don't know. I'd also say that Cleveland should be on this, but who knows if they will do anything this offseason.

If the entire premise behind this deal is that we should do this because the Dodgers will give us a big discount, count me as confused as to why the Dodgers would do that. If the White Sox have to pay fair value, even if the prospect doesn't become something useful to us in the end, that prospect can be currency down the road. Imagine if the White Sox had traded Jeremy Reed to try to stay competitive in 2003 and the Yankees wound up trading for Freddie Garcia in 2004.

It's not just the draft pick. It's giving up something to get Pederson. If the Dodgers took him straight up for Carson Fulmer, I'd wonder what the Dodgers were thinking but I'd do it. But it makes no sense for the Dodgers to do that, they should be able to get way more for him from a team that is competitive right now and has an OF hole. There are several. If the Dodgers were going to move him, then we need to pay fair value for him, and there's no real obvious reason for the White Sox to do that. It makes us better right now, but it makes us worse or at least leaves us less things to trade 2 years from now when we might actually have a genuinely loaded roster. We'd be trading the difference between, say, 74 and 76 wins now, for something that could be the difference between 94 and 92 games in a season we care about.

Can someone explain to me how this works and what the benefit is for the Rockets? The Rockets would have to be sending along more money than it would cost the Bulls just to cut Melo, right? So why would the Rockets do that rather than just cutting him themselves?

Yes? (Yeah I removed the WS part and that's a good point).

Interestingly, the overall performance of Pollock and Hill isn't that different, both about 2 win players. Their total in projections basically is a question of "how healthy does the computer think this player will be". Rich Hill is actually projected to be slightly more valuable by Steamer. If he repeated his season from last year, he's worth about $16 million. Do the Dodgers have young pitching healthy and ready to take up those 130 innings Hill gave last year? They are 6 deep in their rotation as of now, but lots of their guys hit the DL for substantial stretches last year including Kershaw. Are they gung-ho about inserting Urias into the rotation this year?

Because the White Sox are simply not in a position to compete in the next 2 years and have OFs who could be arriving in 2020 I'm not going to give up anything that I think has a legitimate chance of being useful to us. That is going to make my offer pathetic but what can I do? Yolmer is excessive, he'd fit well on a team that is competitive right now. Carson Fulmer - I had high hopes for him even last year but alas. Cordell and/or Delmonico - same reason. Other teams should easily beat this.

No.

Hill has 1 year, $18.6 million remaining on his deal.

Are you really telling us that a hit that knocks a guy to the ground shouldn't count as a tackle? The receiver has the ball, you hit him with your shoulder pads, he goes to the ground, he should be able to get up and continue the play?

Pick your stat. OPS - .739 to .778. OPS+ - 97 vs 111. wRC+ 97 to 109. Daniel Palka was clearly a better hitter than Yonder Alonso last year.

Alonso at the DH spot is a clear downgrade from Palka with the bat last year.

When the Astros have 10 more players than the White Sox with 1 WAR, there's 2 problems - the White Sox don't have enough players better than Palka or Gattis and they also don't have enough players who are comparable to those. So here's your question then - hypothetically speaking let's say we had to trade Bummer and Fulmer for Pederson and that removed Palka from the lineup. That gives us 1 extra player who had >2 WAR, but it could very well remove two ~1 WAR players - Bummer put up 0.7 last year and Palka put up 0.5, both of them in incomplete seasons with time in the minors. So yes you get better at the top, but you also have less depth.