Balta1701

No, they're blocking young players now. Note how no one complained about Stassi being picked up, it was reasonable to have 1 veteran who plays maybe 1/3 or 1/2 the time to go along with a young catcher acquired last year in a trade. Even if the young catcher isn't good right now, maybe that catcher picks up some things with a year+ of experience, and the guy you're paying to go along with him is making under $1 million. This move is the one that has us annoyed, because now the young catcher gets buried in the minors, now there are two crappy veteran catchers who will eat up all of the available big league innings, none of the young catchers get any big league experience where they might even be able to learn enough to be backups, and we drop $5 million on top of that. $4 million of that didn't need to be spent at all, and there's a vesting option thrown in that the guy probably has a good chance to hit if he's healthy. Oh, and not to mention how they could have just kept Zavala last season - thanks Chris. This is classic White Sox behavior. Wastes a little money - "Oh it's fine they have money to spend, that never comes back to haunt us." Blocks players or gives up on them "oh it's fine that guy isn't going to turn into anything anyway, that never comes back to haunt us". Hahn did this at the catcher's spot repeatedly, and it wound up eventually turning into a money pit.

And that same toxic VP was there when Getz was brought in. And the same inept owner who cared more about being surrounded by yes men than in fixing his organization - hired Chris Getz as his next GM.

His strikeout rate when he came up was 32% in half a season. It was 33% the next year when he was the worst in baseball. I’m grasping at straws and you are asserting these are clearly different?

It’s amazing how a director of player development has no say in whether or not a player is called up. The org must not have trusted him at all to keep him locked out of that decision for top prospects.

Before Maldonado, Spotrac has them estimated at $117 million counting arbitration estimates. So yeah, literally $30 million higher than you guessed.

He came up and immediately led the league in strikeouts while being a below average defender. For a supposed number 1 prospect in baseball, yuck. Adley Rutschman in 2 seasons has put up 10 WAR, Moncada put up 2.

Yoan Moncada was a disaster when he was called up. Completely terrible approach at the plate, took several years to have a decent year and a totally revamped approach at the plate because his was so bad. Then fell apart again.

Eloy is not a feather in anyone’s cap, he’s a major disappointment. Yoan is a major disappointment. Pretty much all of them have been at best inconsistent so far, maybe save Robert. Had these guys been feathers in anyone’s cap, the White Sox wouldn’t have lost 101 games last year.

Martin Maldonado can’t be bad because people have always said he’s good and that never changes so I don’t need to listen to anything that says he was. Logical. Flawlessly logical.

Playing bad players is not going to help pitchers.

He’s exactly the kind of guy who will praise Maldonado when a pitcher has a good game and rip the pitcher when he has a bad game. Watch.

You will get this thing where every time a pitcher has a good game they praise him, and every time a pitcher has a bad game it’s the pitchers fault. Any younger catchers will get the exact opposite treatment. No one will ever evaluate whether he’s doing a good job of game calling it will just be asserted.

Maldonado can’t throw a baseball to 2b any more so he might as well try throwing that.

He was terrible, but once you’ve been declared a solid fielding veteran catcher, old time baseballers never bother to reassess that. It was Dusty’s problem last year and although everyone here understood what Dusty had brought, there was legit frustration because Dusty’s love for Maldonado hurt the team. Getz has done some things so far that I wouldn’t call obvious mistakes. This is the kind of classic, old school, baseball stupid mistakes I expected.

Just for reference, BaseballProspectus graded Maldonado as the worst defensive catcher in baseball last year. That list includes Perez and Lee. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/leaderboards/fielding/

Lee appears to have one optio. Year remaining.

Who cares? Play the kid.

Isn’t the Hall actually an independent business?

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-not-to-build-for-depth/

So if the bears win one of the next two that’s a 7-10 season. While it was a more difficult ride than I would have wanted I’d have called that pretty reasonable improvement at the start of the season and said the coaching staff and GM had done what was needed for this year. I note how emphatically people want the coaches removed. Does an 8-9 or 7-10 finish change those thoughts at all? They’re basically “fix the historic collapses” away from the wild card hunt this year, despite a terrible start.

It is possible for an ask of 3-4 prospects to have more value than 1. This is why fathoms reaction was “yeah he’s not moving if they’re asking that”. The good news though for my “agenda” as y’all say is that this is a bad enough strategy that it just increases the chances Cease doesn’t move.

Tyler Glasnow, he cost Ryan Pepiot.

Note the contrast though! Youre saying Hahn asked for too much and silly Balta that’s why he didn’t move. Great work by Getz doing the same thing though.

If you did a little of that in November, fine, you’re probably not going to scare away the fish. If you’re doing that in December, they’ll just understand that you’re not serious and go figure out other options.

However, if you have potential customers who might pay $6, and they’re going to buy something with their money, if your asking price is $20 they’re most likely going to politely talk with you and then walk away. No matter how many times you leak to the press that someone is definitely going to pay $20, they will still be smarter than that. They might even wait a few weeks and leak to Jeff Passan that you’re asking $20 for a $5 car.