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For the tiny sliver of hope - here's the Detroit Free Press explaining why they made an early call of Mi for Hillary and why they believe it still holds up.

QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 11:17 PM) A billionaire is about to move into public housing that was abandoned by a black family. 2016 man... Not even close to funny.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 11:10 PM) Here's a question for people that follow this stuff: how do we know all of these demographic numbers are accurate when the exit polling data isn't very accurate to begin with. Is that from different data set? Do they take registration info anonymously from the votes? From what I saw today - exit polling it done in slices and then they adjust the final exit polls based on actual turnout numbers so that they give a solid estimate of what each demographic actually did. That makes them very poor for projecting how a day is going.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) Dear god, that being his team is even more terrifying than Trump himself being president. All are complete clowns Giuliani is going to be the Attorney General.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 11:51 PM) Trump will do it. It is over. f*** me. I can't even make a sarcastic remark to you. I'm sorry.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 10:41 PM) What if Donald wins MI and Clinton win WI? That would win the presidency for Donald Trump.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 10:38 PM) It's better than not winning Colorado? If Hillary Clinton does not win New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Michigan, Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 03:03 PM) "Your plan has been discontinued. We will automatically enroll you in this new plan that has a much higher deductible and costs 33% more." Every November, a kick to the nuts. Hopefully Clinton Care will save the day. Ha, you' get to be uninsured now.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 11:14 PM) And Silver has 55% Clinton now, which is what I was kinda saying. Silver is tweeting that is based only on called states - once Florida is called that chance will plummet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 12:07 PM) If this market keeps up, prospects have never brought back less in return than the do now. It takes more and more to get even mediocre players. This sounds like the opposite of everything I've heard. I don't think I've heard anyone saying that teams are undervaluing their prospects.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) Around what time tonight do you think we know the outcome? Outside of something crazy happening. here are poll closing times: The official call for a Democrat to win could not be made without California. The official call in a Republican blowout probably would need Mountain Time states. The Official calls won't be until 11:00 or later for a Democrat or 10:00 or later for a Republican, eastern time. If North Carolina, Georgia, Ohio, etc. were to be called earlier for the Democrat, then you could have it generally known who is going to win perhaps 1-2 hours earlier than that.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 11:40 AM) The postmortem coverage after a Trump loss will be SO much easier to consume for me. I'm scared that he'll call for violence.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 10:31 AM) Oh, I agree. Your lineup would be: Eaton, Melky, Abreu, Desmond, Frazier, Reddick, Anderson, Lawrie, Castro To me that doesn't scream anything much different than what we've seen over the past years. The simplest way I can break it down is this.. what percentage chance do you think we have making the playoffs in any of the next 2-3 years with Sale/Q/Eaton/Abreu core? I think maybe 10-20% each year .... and because of that I think you blow it up. Just thought I'd play devils advocate if Jerry was open to adding $50-60mm to his payroll (not going to happen) On paper it does seem deeper than what we've seen the last 2 years, but that's assuming you don't have a Reddick or Cabrera or Desmond implosion, all of which have happened in the past couple years. It's a solid but not great lineup if everything works well, but "if everything works well" has been a very dangerous phrase for the White Sox.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) I go back and forth so much. From wanting to make a push and do it right with these pitchers and core to blowing it all up. I think if you are going to spend though you have to do it on guys like MLBTraderumors just mentioned. If we are going to make a push, unfortunately it will probably have to be a half assed one and with guys you can sign for 1-2 years and if it doesn't work out you can flip them. It's kind of what they did by acquiring Frazier and Lawrie and those guys before. It was an all-in, 3 year window where basically we knew we could blow it up this year and trade off pieces. If you are going to keep on that path someone like a Beltran. The people I like on that list at those numbers are: Ian Desmond - 4years 60mm (yes qualifying offer). I still think at $15mm a year he's a good get. Can play probably 5 positions and has value in trade market if you want to flip him. Also very tough to give up that draft pick, so it depends on if we are going for it this year. Rich Hill - 3 years and $50mm. You can never have enough pitching and I don't care that he's a lefty. IF you are going for it and you have a rotation of Sale, Q, Hill, Rodon, Gonzalez with Shields as your long relief guy and for any injuries + Fulmer if he turns a corner? That's a team that is probably the most stacked rotation in the league. Yes he's older. But if you can get a guy like that w/ only a 3 year contract tied to him? I think I'd do it. Josh Reddick - 3years 36mm. I think it's a buy low. He cant really hit LHP which is not good. But I think he adds a lot to this team being able to play all OF positions and allowing Melky to switch to DH some days. Kendrys Morales 2yr 26mm - If you don't sign antoher bat at least he's a guy you can count on for 25 hrs about a .275 BA with good OBP. I'd take him over Trumbo. And especially when you talk money too. Jason Castro - 2yr 15mm - simple, cheap, upgrade with no contract duration And then some bullpen arm and a guy like Beltran if you don't get one of those bats above. I think adding any of those guys in some combination still allow us to stay within in our budget yet improve and all have value where you can trade them in July or offseason if things don't work out. Admittedly Desmond would be the biggest gamble with the pick tied to him. If truly going for it. And Jerry gives the sign off? I'd go Desmond Reddick and Castro and Hill. You'd have the best rotation in the league. Desmond in CF, Reddick in LF, Melky at DH. You improved your OF defense, your DH spot, and your catcher/catcher defense. All that being said? Blow it up. So, regarding the staying in budget part of that, without counting the "Some bullpen arm" I add that up as being somewhere over $160 million with the total payroll.

Oh damn I won. Russell Wilson out of no where!

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Fearless prediction... Would be shocked if OG didn't win BTPOY. I'd be ok with that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) Said one AL exec, who said he had knowledge of their thinking, "The last 327 fans of the team are really fed up with the skinny bastard." "One of them offered to make him a sandwich"

Scrolling through relevant university job listings for next year. A couple relevant ones appear. .... Finland. .... Japan. Pauses for a second, then goes back and saves both links. Pauses for a second, wait wasn't there another one in the UK? -me a moment ago.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 04:18 PM) Dont think it makes much sense for the Yankees to give up prospects for Sale. They have an incredibly deep farm system now and no money on the books by 2018, they are in great shape. The Yankees probably won't be in the mood to trade Sanchez, but this is the Yankees they're talking about. They're not going to sit around and let him go to a team that could beat them the Red Sox unchallenged, just so that they can focus on rebuilding.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 04:29 PM) Isn't he a finalist every year? no

Even if you despise the Hawk, and I'm sure the other nominees are worthy too - Hawk deserves to get his name into the HOF as a broadcaster. That many years around this game, instantly recognizeable style. If you can't stand him - getting him into the HOF might be a thing that would make him retire!

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 03:00 PM) I agree 100%. I think I wrote in some other thread that the right course is to enter the winter immediately as a seller to get a lay of the land. If an offer presents itself that seems fair (in the context of the seller's market, so more than you'd expect in an average market), the time to move is now -- because there isn't likely to be a better seller's market on the horizon. If the offers are low, we can afford to try again at the deadline. Sign some one-year veterans, hope to hit gold, and sell if you don't. FWIW, here's our discussion in the other thread (I think it was really good back and forth by both of us) - I think that we're going to be in a substantially worse position if we wait until the deadline and my argument about why is there.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) Seems like Qualifying Offers for: Bautista, Encarnacion, Hellickson, Desmond, Fowler, Turner, Jansen, Cespedes, and Neil Walker. Wieters not getting one is interesting. Walker getting one is interesting. People have brought up the Mets infield as a team we could have had some trade matchups with.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) Just because the ranking can't drop, doesn't mean the actual ratings can't drop. It can get worse. At this point, I think that might be more on the Cubs than anything else and how effectively what they just did takes over the remainder of the market. The White Sox are close enough to rock bottom that the only people who are turning in or buying tickets are the die-hards like those posting here. They're getting attendance and ratings that rival the least interesting last place teams in baseball. The only way that gets worse is if the fanbase itself continues to hemmorage people, and I think that will happen regardless of whether the total losses are 84 or 95 - the ratings of the last 2 years are strong evidence of that, winning 76-78 games was a complete and utter failure. Basically, flailing wildly, cutting up jerseys, insisting they're important, and being out of the race on August 1 has made it within error of as bad as it can get. The White Sox have one option left - build a world series caliber team and be in the race in August. If they've simply lost the fanbase completely, then it's time to talk about moving.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) Holy crap. I knew it was bad, but this bad? Makes me reconsider the notion of them moving if the team was ever sold. I still believe there's a market out there, but there's a nontrivial chance that the combination of the last 8 years of ongoing success with the what the Cubs just did - potentially grabbing within error every young fan in the city - could prove me wrong.