TheBigHurt

Dude, I'm not going as far as to say who would be a better manager or that firing Guillen would be the ultimate solution (honestly it wouldn't). I'm just saying he's a bad manager that does NOT put his team in the best position to win. THAT'S ALL. It would just be nice of people like yourself could just admit that simple truth, that's all. What reason is there to defend him and try to pout about people attacking him? He's a bad in-game manager with little know-how, plain and simple. And as far as his motivational abilities, that's fine and dandy, and that's one thing I LIKE about Ozzie, but what good has it done? How good have the Sox looked since 2005 ended? Ask yourself that question. The actual BASEBALL MANAGING ABILITIES need to be there. They are absent from Ozzie. It's a simple FACT, so why all the defense? I'm not looking to crucify the man, I just don't get why there are still people out there who deny his incompetence [sarcasm] Ah, yes. I forgot... with those circumstances, a manager clearly can't mistakes. [/sarcasm] More denial. And did I say anything about compensation? Did I say Ozzie being better would make the team better? No, but it would result in a LOT LESS mistakes and a LOT MORE opportunities for the Sox to win. We don't have much of that with Ozzie because he has no idea how to manage a team. Man, you guys can't read between the lines. I guess that's why you defend Ozzie... lack of logic.

More rambling that ignores the point, changes the subject and does nothing to counter my argument. And again, you're just comparing him to other managers. Apparently, Ozzie defenders can't read English correctly. I never mentioned a specific manager could win more. That's another flaw to your argument. You're trying to counter an argument that isn't there. You're not arguing with me, only the idea of what you want to THINK I'm saying. Wake up. And Like I've said, watch the games. See the horrible calls to do or not do something, timing, his decisions of pulling people too late or too soon, mismanaging his bullpen (not just this year so don't start with that "we have nobody good in the pen"), and everything else. He does it so often it's blatantly obvious he is a CLUELESS in-game manager. "Oh, but he has the passion! And he gets them fired up! And he gets them motivated! And he knows how to treat his players (which is not true at all)! But he gets the best talent out of his players (more bulls***)!" Really? Then why do the Sox still look like a terrible team for 2 1/2 years in a row? And BTW obviously he does NOT get the most talent out of his players. That's obvious this year. Another contradiction (actually it's a flat out LIE) of the prototypical Ozzie defender. Being a good "motivational" manager (a huge cop out to Ozzie's inability is all that is) and being a good in-game manager is two different things. I'm not saying Ozzie is a bad motivational manager (even though he does f*** that up sometimes, too), I'm saying Ozzie is a bad in-game manager, which is OBVIOUS, and it costs your team a lot of games, which it has. So far you're just another Ozzie defender in denial that fails to make a logical argument to back up your (and his) case, simply changing the subject and twisting other people's words around into your own "logic."

Did I EVER say anything about Ron or the Twins? No, I'm just saying OZZIE is a horrible manager and that if we had a better one we'd have a LOT more wins under our belt. It seems like the #1 (maybe ONLY) "Ozzie Defense" is comparison to other managers. How bad Ozzie is has nothing to do with other managers, period. It's expected. Being an Ozzie defender and being logical (or simply baseball literate) doesn't seem to really go together. And I don't mean to be rash, but the fact you credit Guillen for us being a few games up in a terrible division when Minnesota has lost what... 8 of ten or something and we've hardly gained anything... you HAVE to be f***ing joking. That makes me laugh REALLY hard.

If the Sox blow the Division and playoff spot this year, I not only blame the offense, the defense and the bullpen, but I also blame Jeff Cox and especially Ozzie Guillen. His incompetence as a manager becomes more magnified every year, and down the stretch this year he has been a joke. It's almost as if he wants this team to lose.

What, 8 games left? That's not much time.

Of course.

GET BACK THERE! NO, MAN... NO!

DAMMIT I wish Konerko was in the lineup tonight... where IS he, anyway???

Or tonight? Or half the games that the Sox lose? Face it, the Sox make an artform of losing when the odds are stacked in their favor.

I missed it. WTF just happened???

Wow. Hawk has got to be the most delusional man in baseball.

Steroids.

Frank Thomas did in fact make me a fan as well. I moved here to Chicago when I was 5 (1991) and grew up here. My best friend came over one day when I was about 8 (when I was just warming up to being a Chicago sports fan) and we played an RBI baseball game on the Genesis. He was showing me the roster of the White Sox and he said, "THIS is Frank Thomas. Put him in your lineup for SURE." I said, "Is he good?" My friend looked at me and said, "Yeah, he's REAL good." I then played with him and saw this sprite of a behemoth man and I hit a home run with him in the first at-bat he came up to the plate. From that moment on, I loved Frank Thomas and the Chicago White Sox.

LOL @ Hawk and DJ...

Yeah, and yet teh Sox always seem to f*** up in those situations where things are stacked really high in their favor. I'm not trying to be pessimistic (I'm usually one of the biggest optimists here), but the Sox tend to f*** up situations like these. I think a LOT of people expect the Sox to fall, even despite every example you mentioned. This team just has no life.

In a manner of speaking, yes

It looks like Linebrink just isn't there yet.

Game over.

But the WILD PITCH! LOL, Hawk...

Wow, the home run happens, I walk out of my room 15 feet to grab a soda, and the inning is over???

So as far as I can tell, Ozzie benched Swisher (or Wise?)... for Owens. Ozzie CONTINUES to show his lack of managing ability. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that there are (ignorant) people out there that still think he is a good manager.

Question for Ozzie: why is Owens playing when we're in the last week and a half desperately trying to win a division??? Jesus, I'd rather see Swisher.

BOTH ABs he hit the ball right on the money. Good sign.

From what I've heard so far in this thread, it sounds like the Yankee announcers are pretty stupid.

This game is sure off to a good start...