BigSqwert

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:58 AM) Kind of late to the party on this one. Actually people's eating of meat does affect me, in a negative way. It's not a case of "I eat meat and you don't need to worry about it". Most of the meat eaten today comes from factory farms. These have severe effects on me and the rest of the world. Just look to the negative effects it has on the environment and things like Asian Bird Flu and Swine Flu. Indeed. The amount of food and water provided to one cow could feed a heck of a lot more people than the meat from that one cow. LINK

Gift of Gab has had some crazy rap verses. Not sure which one I'd pick to throw in here.

QUOTE (tonyho7476 @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:24 AM) I think we'll win the first two and win the last one Wouldn't that be a sweep since it's a 3 game series?

Colon is becoming the Dewayne Wise of the pitching staff.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:10 AM) However, by observing animal behavior and feeding habits, we can learn if other species voluntarily become vegetarians or carnivores. That may be the case but as a human I have the ability to avoid undue harm and suffering just to satisfy my taste buds.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 09:04 AM) We use tools. Much like we have used tools to build our homes, transport ourselves, manage our waste products, etc. Which brings us full circle, Mark Buerhle likes to use tools to gather his food. I suggest you read The China Study. It documents the results of a study performed throughout the 70s and 80s in rural China that compared communities that had access to meat and dairy with those that did not. The diets involving animal meat and dairy had much higher incidents of diabetes, cancer, heart disease and osteoporosis. Contrary to most people's belief, eating meat 3 times a day is a fairly recent phenomena that started early to mid 20th century. EDITED to add link to book

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 07:52 AM) I'd say we're the only species on the planet with brains developed to the point where we can question whether we're carnivores or herbivores, no? Unless you're Dr Doolittle I don't see how you can ever know that answer with certainty.

Why would anyone think Colon has any trade value?

Since this is the closest thing to a catch all I'll post this here. Skip the sports power drinks. Your best bet is to drink pure coconut water after a workout or run. Tons of electrolytes and more potassium than a banana. And you don't get all the high fructose corn syrup and other crap. O.N.E. and Zico are a couple of brands you can try.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 02:42 AM) Fact is our canine teeth are there to rip into meat weather you want to believe it or not. And nature gave us a brain to get food so that we don't have to run around like idiots trying to kill animals with our teeth and strength. The whole point of life is survival of the fittest, and because of our brain we are the fittest creatures on this planet so I don't feel guilty eating meat or killing animals to get it. I see so just like all other predators and scavengers I assume you eat all of your meat completely bloody and raw. You don't need to mask the taste of meat by cooking it and putting all kinds of spices and sauces on it. And you don't get sick by eating all your meat bloody and raw because your body was built to eat it this way. I on the other hand have a very unnatural diet. I must mask the taste of fruits and vegetables by cooking them and masking their tastes with other things. If I didn't do so my body would probably get violently ill since its not meant to eat these types of things and I'm forcing it to do so.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jul 27, 2009 -> 06:50 AM) Do you have any fake leather products? No

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 09:21 PM) Isn't the purpose of our canine teeth to tear meat? An asparagas doesnt require sharp, pointy teeth to rip it to shreds. You really think humans have sharp, pointy teeth like a wolf, lion, or other predators? Perhaps you can demonstrate for me how a human can run down a deer or other prey and sink your sharp, pointy teeth into their hide like other predators do.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 03:49 PM) I’ve already addressed the contradictions in your stances and answered your current inquiry in my previous posts. No you didn't but I guess we'll agree to disagree.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 03:37 PM) actually it's not. your values are completely ridiculous and contradictory; judging from your posts here you deserve the ridicule directed towards you. Please explain how my values are ridiculous. I didn't call your values ridiculous. And how are my values contradictory? I explained that I go out of my way to not use any animal products. If an animal gets ACCIDENTALLY harmed in the process of the production of what I purchase how exactly is that contradictory?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 03:41 PM) You basically just called him a moron without actually saying moron. Watch it. He's been trolling each of my posts using arguments that an uninformed grammar school student would use. It can get grating after a while.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 03:37 PM) actually it's not. your values are completely ridiculous and contradictory; judging from your posts here you deserve the ridicule directed towards you. This is pointless. For a while there I actually thought you had some semblance of intelligence but you've completely disproved that today.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 03:30 PM) Well that is an excellent approach and i commend it. unfortunately you didn't have any problems swooping into this thread and repeatedly telling posters that their views were "the dumbest thing you have ever heard". That specific argument was and you're kidding yourself if you don't agree.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:53 PM) People are weird. I have several friends that are vegetarians and one or two are vegans. I've got nothing against that choice, I just don't agree over the ethical/ moral arguments of killing an animal. Fair enough. I just hate hearing s*** like "you probably stepped on an ant today so there really isn't a difference between me and you".

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:43 PM) yeah, that was a lame thing to say. "Accept the reality that your food source results in the death of sentient animals, even if they are not the intended target" is much better. I do accept that. My point is that I make the absolute best effort to avoid all animal products in everything I consume. There are going to be instances where an animal somehow accidentally was hurt or killed in the process of production for something I purchase. For someone to equate what I am doing with a typical omnivore is ridiculous and deep down inside you know I am right. The 2 approaches are completely different. And FYI I have been vegan for 3 years now. My life has been very difficult in many ways because of this. I am completely marginalized and even ostracized by some. It's really interesting to see how people immediately get defensive when I tell them about my lifestyle. They feel like they need to diminish what I'm doing or make me feel ridiculous for doing so. I don't walk around preaching to people and telling them how they need to run their lives yet they have no problem to tell me how wrong I am and tell me what I should and shouldn't eat. I don't know if there's some sort of guilt deep inside or they feel threatened or what but it can get quite disheartening living in an omni world.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:36 PM) Animals are killed to provide your food source. they may not be intentionally harvested, but there is zero doubt that they will be killed in the agricultural process. Apparently you don't want me to "Deal with it" anymore.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:35 PM) BigSqwert while we're on this subject you'll probably be happy to know we didn't kill that mouse that was in our office a couple of weeks ago, we trapped it in a coffee can and took it outside.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) So? Whatever ethical judgments you pass on people who eat regular diets, fruitarians pass the same on you. However ridiculous you think they might be, we (or at least I) think the same of your arguments. Like I said. I choose not to purposefully kill sentient beings.

I'm not sure what else I can say but since when do people not understand the difference in purposefully taking a sentient beings life in comparison to a piece of farm equipment accidentally running over a rabbit? Are you people seriously not seeing the difference or are you just messing with me? After reading some of these posts I'm expecting to see a 50% ratio of chopped rabbit and squirrel in the next bag of carrots I buy.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:30 PM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism Vegetables don't have a central nervous system.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2009 -> 02:29 PM) Why do you only care about animals? Don't other life forms have just as much "right" to live? I care about all sentient beings.