mr_genius

I have no idea who 'joe the plumber' is, but it seems that the Democrats whom post here really hate him. maybe i'll watch cable news and find out what this 'controversy' is about. edit: CNN showed some clips of the debate (which i didn't watch) and it seems like Joe was a major topic of conversation. now i'm really glad i didn't watch that debate.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/co...cist-obama-win/ wow, how much it the GOP paying this guy? seems like he is trying to hand over the Ohio electoral votes to McCain.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 02:13 PM) And he has gotten more press coverage than the Chairman of Ways and Means who "didn't know" he had to pay taxes. haha. yea that got buried REAL fast by the media

http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/31101144.html This is good of course! only allowed to vote for Obama once in the 2008 presidential election? that is just downright mean.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 02:11 PM) at everything. haha, dude you are so clueless. but i do like the know it all college student studying journalism routine. it's classic and truly hilarious

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 01:56 PM) It's not a bogus argument. Where were these crowds in August? Where were these crowds when "dangerously inexperienced celebrity" was gaining headway? Then it was a general mocking that this guy thought he could be president. Now this is different. This is people saying "Kill Him" "Off with his head" "Terrorist". What's Palin/McCain's main talking points now? Is it celebrity? It's Ayers. They highlight him being a dangerous outsider with terrorist ties. The opening speakers once again call him Barack Hussein Obama. The pastors call for God to elect McCain so God doesn't get outrun by the Hindu Gods in America. BUt this is coincidence. This is a few whackos, that decide to come out...now. Not 3 months ago. Now. And this has nothing to do with McCain's campaign? You act like Clinton was just labeled racist out of the blue. The comment derided Obama as just another black candidate, getting the black vote. If you don't see how I'm the candidate for the Hard working, white Americans, in West Virginia, of all places, could not be seen as infusing race into the race, then this is naive. I don't begin to believe that Bill or Hillary Clinton is racist, but that doesn't mean that they didn't infuse race into their campain during the primaries. You again fail to see the implications of these statements. If I were to have the view, that there has never been racism or fear of a candidate of an opposing race taking power, therefore there is now no fear of a candidate of a different race taking power, then I could see how this could be seen as blowing something out of nothing. But, just because these claims made against John Kerry, out of touch liberal american, french, were innocuous to him, were merely mocking, doesn't mean that if these same claims made Obama could not incite different reactions about him. When your entire campaign against Obama right now is specifically that he's dangerous, a terrorist sympathizer, not one of us, hiding who he really is, and it produces this reaction - what part of these are you inciting? The I don't want to be taxed part? Please. We have to live with the realities of our world. When McCain decided in October to run exclusively on Ayers, on Obama not being an open book, and is surprised that the reaction is this vitriolic, perhaps he should realize that he is inciting the darkest part of America's conscience. Not to say McCain cannot bring up Ayers. But his claim that he's merely bringing up judgment is false. He's planting the seeds of "birds of a feather". The fact that he repudiated one town hall after a week of criticism, frankly, doesn't encourage me. Where were these people months ago? Probably same place they are now. The MSM hadn't recieved the 'McCain = racist" memo from the Obama campaign yet so they weren't trumping up all this bulls***. Now, they are, thats the difference. This notion that McCain is fueling racist is so f***ing stupid. Anyone that runs against Obama will have certain portions of the population reading in tons of innuendo. Honestly, I see more threats of murder, violence, and goon tactics from Obama supporters. The 'McCain fueling racsim' claim is completely bogus; but you are entitled to completely buy into like the rest of the Obama marketing campaign. But I'm not taking the bait anymore on this crap. later.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 12:31 PM) I have bad news for your analysis. When the outsiders of your campaign are creating pamphlets calling him an arab, writing books about how he's a muslim, and bringing on guests saying Obama only came to Chicago "probably" because of Ayers and is now just a puppet for him, while the candidates are saying he's palling around with terrorists, questioning who he is - 20 months in -, making ALL their ads negative - most not having anything to do with policy -, these all fuel one message. And the difference, the reality, is that Obama is black and has an arab name. So these same statements applied to Ronald Reagan vs. Barack Obama bring out different reactions in their intent. So, McCain can swoop into these rallies, Palin can swoop into these rallies, say these things that have roots in previous claims, all though being an outsider is usually run as a good thing (Palin can both run as an outsider and blast Obama for being an outsider! ), and leave acting oblivious to how their message is received. But when these phrases, along with fueling this relationship with Ayers, and him being black with a Muslim name, are clearly igniting in people hatred and racism, THEY are responsible. If these motifs they are spreading, whether intended to frame in a different way, are being received in another, THEY are responsible. THEY are responsible for these racist crowds. McCain is more than capable on framing this election on experience and taxes, he hasn't done that. He's done it on character, against a black candidate. So yes, in a world that deals with realities, McCain's campaign absolutely has infused racism into it. I didn't even mention the elitist, UPPITY Obama uses. McCain criticizing Obama, or bringing up the fact that Obama started a campaign at Bill Ayers house, is stuff that was going to come up even if Obama was white. Basically, every crazy person that hates Obama is a direct result from McCain criticizing Obama? It's just such a bogus argument. McCain hasn't said anything about Obama being black, or a Muslim; McCain got booed for defending the Obama slams at a McCain town hall meeting. You read so much into everything even when nothing is there. I understand you REALLY REALLY like Obama, but people will run against him in elections, deal with it. I mean everytime someone criticized the guy they get labeled 'racist'. The Clintons were labeled racists for f***s sake by you people. This whole 'McCain is fueling racism' stuff is far fetched and over the top. I'm sure there are McCain supporters with extreme views, as are certain Obama voters. It's completely impossible for these candidates to control everything their supporters do.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) I would say how many of those Europeans are going to vote, but with ACORN around, anything is possible. "6 million absentee ballots form Germany, all for Obama? This just doesn't seem right. "

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 12:02 PM) These attempts to paint him as an outsider, that he's not one of us, he doesn't see america the way we see it, these are racially charged, whether you want to question their intent or not, they are responsible for the way they are received. So to be shocked at the vitriolic response from the crowds is naive, and that is the parallel John Lewis was trying to make. i have bad news for your analysis. questioning an opponents vision for America is standard during presidential campaigns. painting the other candidate as a radical outsider has been done many times before, think Reagan in 1980; he was supposedly a psycho intent on launching nuclear weapons and ending life on earth as we know it.

So, this debate basically McCain's last chance?

DOW losing lots of ground, again.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 05:59 PM) No, how about another round of economic stimulus checks? That's even better than cutting taxes. Why stop there? TWO MORE ROUNDS OF STIMULUS CHECKS!

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 05:40 PM) That's a cute answer, a nice dodge from the realization that the republicans are pumping race into this election. well it's obvious that the Obama campaign has a strategy which includes the race card. First Bill Clinton was a racist, then Palin, now McCain. bla bla bla. Honestly, we probably shouldn't even be taking the bait on this like the Democrats want. They thrive on anger and division.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) Just saying that what used to be an alternative, isn't. i agree that there is no fiscal conservative party in the US. my criticism of Democrat spending isn't meant to be implicit support for GOP spending.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 12:54 PM) True. I wonder what the word is for being prejudice against languages. hmm, don't know. maybe we can put together a government program to come up with one.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) This is basically what we've seen from BushCo and his Congress'. Lower taxes, higher spending. Bush and the GOP Congress of 2000 to 2006 walked away from the small government concept that used to be core to the Republican agenda. Now, instead, its spend and spend some more. Neither party now has any rightful claim to the concept of financial discipline. not much of a ringing endorsement for Obama. So G.W. Bush is the new standard for spending? ouch.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 12:48 PM) You guys seem to hate this country so much. Perhaps you should consider moving elsewhere. and miss out on the Obama giveaway bonanza? no way. lower taxes for everyone and everything is free, can't beat that!

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 11:45 AM) But we have to have health care. And welfare. And bank support. And a war (the dirty little secret he's lying his ass off about). And social security. And medicaid. And medicare. And highways. And let's tax those evil corporations more. And whatever else the government can control. don't forget about free housing, free transportation, free food, and free utilities it's gonna rule. so much stuff for free!

i'm sure i'll be seeing a large tax increase, rather than cut. Obama's supposed tax cuts are all smoke and mirrors. just like when the Democrats raise taxes but say "It's not a tax increase, merely a tax rate adjustment".

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 06:32 AM) As far as I can tell, most of the "race" discussion has been created and amped up by the media. Very few in either party (not none), and neither Presidential campaign, are making an issue of it unless it comes to their doorstep. na, the Democrats and Obama campaign have been bringing it up. Biden just recently was talking about it. Why? I have no idea. The MSM also goes with what the Obama camp tells them to, not the other way around.

QUOTE (aprec32 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 10:01 PM) 5 anyone????? ^^^

another Biden gaffe http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14541.html the only person bring race into the election are the Democrats.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 08:30 PM) Oh God sometimes I miss this district... i would watch that reality tv show.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) 5000 new voter registrations sunmitted by ACORN in Lake County, Indiana. The first 2100 that were checked are ALL frauds! Indiana sec of state calling for an investigation. ACORN's resonse? 1) We hired some 'bad apples' and 2) it's the government's fault. haha. the Democrats up to their old tricks.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 01:48 PM) Problem with your suggestion is, you replace a minor holiday (which means, few people actually get the day off), with a major one (most people get the day off), you are taking away productivity in the economy. But, overall, I actually think this is a good idea. I'd get rid of Columbus Day, which is more of an insult (and a historically inaccurate one) than a holiday anyway. is columbus day a major holiday? i never get it off