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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 19, 2008 -> 09:13 PM) They have not much to do with Obama, but with many of his rabid supporters. i was told that the right is filled with hate, and when I pointed out that it was the left that is fond os shtting down speech and actions they don't like, like threatening radio stations, shouting down speakers they disagree with and violence against others, it was just dismissed as not true. I am pointing out that it is true. While both sides have their rabid psycho fans, the left has more than their fair share of them, and they are way more violent and destructive, as I am pointing out. McCain and Obama are both running dirty campaigns. I don't think you can be a politician nowadays and not do it. But is is not one sided, as some of those on theleft would have us believe. And with the voraciousness of many of his supporters, Obama himself can just sit back and let his minions do a lot of the dirty work for him. Did you know that there was a website out there with a 'kill Sarah Palin' flash game? It got taken down after 2 days, but can you imagin if there was one for Obama? Hate is truely bi-partisan. The Obama campaign directly sent out orders to his followers instructing them to silence some of Obama's harshest critics. The campaign also threatened to revoke FCC licenses.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 19, 2008 -> 07:36 PM) Really? See what Alpha's posting. Where's this coming from? Obama doesn't "need" to be clean. His surrogates are doing just fine. Notice what I said about McCain, though. That guy has stooped to s*** throwing like no other, and I'm extremely disappointed in that. It makes it worse. But, I continue to see (even on this board) about how RSO's taking the high road. He's not. So that's not a straw man argument. It's fact. There does seem to be a great deal of factitious claims of an Obama campaign which is based mainly on issues; relatively clean and honest. This is not the case in reality, as Obama has run a campaign which has really set some new standards in dirty tactics.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 19, 2008 -> 05:06 PM) Saw it yesterday. Here is my review... W was a disappointment on multiple levels. First, the presentation of the non-Bush players - Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rove... were all charicatured and waaaaaaay over the top. Laughably so, but not as a parody - you get the impression that the filmmakers really see them this way. Its ridiculous. In particular, Thandie Newton as Condaleeza Rice was just awful. The portrayal of W was not all bad - it did show some of the key elements, good and bad. But it also put an unnecessarily strong emphasis on stupid falls. For example, they included an extended scene of him choking on a pretzel. It was disconnected from everything else. Why include that? It was just dumb. The best part, probably, was the elder Bush's and their relationship with W. That part was semi-well done, and interesting. And it was the most believable thread in the film. Overall, I give it 1 star out of 4. Mildly entertaining in places, touching in a few, but overall it was just a sad little bashfest that provided little of value to the audience. was there a scene where W is flying a jet plane drunk? i thought i read something about that. W's passenger was like "is this the first time you've flown a jet?" and W was like "this is how you learn"

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 08:04 PM) I'm not even kidding but he just pulled up next to me at a red light about 1 hour ago. I'm in Atlanta this weekend btw. haha nice

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 06:06 PM) I think Bob Barr is your man. i'll vote libertarian or for Nader just for the hell of it. the libertarian philosophy goes a little bit too far in the limited government stuff sometimes and i don't like the guy running on their ticket this time.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 06:00 PM) That's how they get so much hate done at once.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 05:55 PM) No, they threw batteries at Santa. They did both. Multitasking.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 05:51 PM) Now, let's be fair. This is Philly. Ain't nobody nice to noone there. Eagles fans booed Santa.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 05:42 PM) I wasn't particularly concerned with the message and who was saying it (supposedly a Republican) so much as what is being said and what parts match up with what i personally believe. Mainly, that social conservatives annoy the hell out of me, and that the party doesn't resemble anything close to fiscal responsibility, so if that's your alternative then it's almost moot (that wasn't addressed in that post though). I won't vote for the GOP, they barely have any policies I agree with. I didn't vote for GW either time; first time because I thought we was too dumb to be president, and second time because he is a spending psycho, the Iraq war, and still dumb. But that doesn't mean I voted Democrat, well I did vote for Clinton. But the Obama crew no way. Goreacle no way. Kerry no way.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 05:40 PM) So how do you explain Buckley Jr, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, etc. They must all be liberals disguising themselves as conservatives. if they like Obama's fiscal plans they are not fiscal conservatives. Are they liberals? Don't care. I would vote for a social liberal, fiscal conservative.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 18, 2008 -> 02:44 PM) This guy more or less sums up my feelings on why, despite some conservative leanings, I can't and won't fully support Republicans, and will continue to lean Democratic until I see some things change. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_...ublican-in.html Any economic/fiscal conservative Republican whom is voting Obama really shouldn't consider them self an economic conservative. I'm guessing if he's a GOP voter he voted Bush for a second term, even with the crazy spending. Now he is voting for an even bigger spender, Obama. Makes no sense. Honestly, the people that seem to be in charge of the Obama campaign seem to be far from responsible adults, so I'm not sure what this guy is getting at. Even though I agree with him on the pandering to Evangelicals, reckless spending, Iraq war, and nation building has ruined the GOP for me. edit: Oh the Atlantic ok, that guy is most likely some Democrat merely bulls***ting the readers. I knew something didn't add up with his argument. This is the McCain=Dracula publication no offense lostfan

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2008 -> 07:27 PM) Um, you have pretty much been doing that for weeks now. Its called the Democratic thread. I'll be honest when I say that I feel that this thread exists pretty much because of those kind of posts. It's a lashing back at all of the ridiculous anti-McCain and GOP stuff that has been going up non-stop. I really am shocked that you of all people would be speaking out against it. i haven't even seen a pro-Obama post in months. it's all attacks on McCain and Palin.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 17, 2008 -> 06:47 PM) Can I start a thread about Racist Hate Mongering Republicans? that stuff is already in multiple threads.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 17, 2008 -> 04:26 PM) As LF said, that would go nowhere. But I'd like to see it. I am still a proponent of a balanced budget amendment. If you want to be able to throw money out there in dire need (like a really bad economy), you cut spending and/or raise taxes. You need immediate war action, you still have some of that funded automatically to the Pentagon anyway, and then you authorize a war action for the big chunks (war exemption to the amendment). You want to ensure flexibility, you build slush funds into the budget for emergency use. Not that hard, really. but I realize I'm in the minority on that one. I am all for balanced budgets, but the killer in any budget amendment is that there would need to be exemptions for true emergencies. The fault lies here, just about everything could be considered an emergency. I would expect the 'emergency' exemption to be completely abused.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 17, 2008 -> 04:03 PM) Could you imagine if a politician was just up front and was like "I'm gonna raise taxes for a few years without adding any new programs to pay down this deficit some"? He'd probably get nowhere with that. yea they would probably lose for sure. but i would probably vote for them.

I might see it, just for laughs. Anyone want to put the odds on this movie getting an Oscar nod? I think it has a chance.

Well, technically, we are already a socialist country in many areas. Pooling resources for the common good can work. However, once the government starts taking obscene amounts of power away from the people (such as overbearing taxation, limiting free speech, committing mass voter fraud, and other authoritarian measures) things can go down hill very quickly. Right now, one thing that doesn't add up for Obama is where he plans an getting all this extra money for his programs. Merely taxing rich people won't get it done. Some of you guys are right, Clinton did promise no new taxes but he ended up raising taxes. I am sure my taxes are going up with Obama, now he might do some nonsense where the hike is referred to as 'a initial rate adjustment' in which he promises to give me a rebate.. however that rebate would boil down to nothing after fees or some other tactic is used to keep that tax money in the Obama system. Now I would actually support a tax increase (even on my income) if this money would be used to pay down the national debt.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 09:24 PM) Did anybody watch the charity dinner Obama and McCain went to? It was pretty funny. I missed McCain's bit but my wife told me he was funny, I have to catch it later. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/al_smith_dinner I lol'd at the part when Obama was making fun of his first name, and that his middle name "was picked by somebody who obviously never thought he'd run for president." Then he said he'd have to be honest and that they'd be hearing some October surprises about him, that his middle name was actually Steve, not Hussein. Yea both candidates were hilarious.

another Biden gaffe "a three letter word, jobs. J-O-B-S" It appears Joe Biden can't even count to 4. He is obviously not qualified to be Vice President.

QUOTE (juddling @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 08:27 PM) it seems that some people are hung up on the fact that a plumber makes $250,000 a year. I've only had to call a plumber once and i can honestly say it wasn't cheep. it was a few years ago but IIRC it was like $500 for about an hour of work. Now if he owns a business that employs a few plumbers and they are all busy then i can see that being possible. I also hear this guy is tied somehow to someone in the Republican party and that he was a plant in the crowd. That may or may not be true, but the Chosen One didn't know it at the time and answered the question the way he did. It's not like Joe twisted his arm and forced him to answer the way he did. In Obama's defense, that guy had a super shiny head. Barack could have been temporarily blinded, causing a disorienting effect. I suppose it's just another example of the McCain campaign using unscrupulous tactics to win, if Joe was indeed a GOP operative.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 08:24 PM) Good, when David Gergen get's a Soxtalk account it'll be news. But some b-rate analyst for CNN being told somebody loves him really isn't news. QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 08:26 PM) Posting my real name is against the rules. see, DukeNukeEm, my post was giving useful information to a soxtalk poster.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 08:21 PM) OK, does anybody seriously care about this? At all? someone probably does, possibly David Gergen.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 08:10 PM) You can just watch the highly educational obviously not taken out of context video that Alpha Dog posted in the Republican thread. Youll learn that now Democrats are only for the rich people and that Republicans are for the working class. Although Joe the Plumber was theoretically kind of rich so Im confused as to the joke? CNN had a segment on Joe, which was aired between their Obama infomercial segments. I guess there are some robo-calls going out on behalf of McCain, which CNN doesn't seem to approve of. Oh, and some blogger is voting Obama, CNN was talking about that for some reason. Also, an update, there is some lady on CNN saying she loves David Gergen. Seriously, I'm not making this up.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 04:01 PM) WOO HOO let's get rid of the constitution, IT HASN'T WORKED! is that Joe the Plumber's policy? If so I will go along with this plan to get rid of the constitution.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 16, 2008 -> 07:14 PM) Now Obama mocks plumbers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqis9mRcWl4 that is joe the plumber? oh this is classic, that guy is the Dems newly found villain.