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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 22, 2007 -> 10:59 AM) If we're talking about the calculus, for my high school, the calculus was certainly not required, and was not even an option for anyone but the top level students. It was taught as an honors course senior year, which basically meant you had to have taken the advanced math courses all the way from 8th grade on. The calculus was certainly a requirement in college for me, but I'll be the first to tell you that there were people at Indiana that had no business in that school taking any major that required math. The best example of this is a class that's number is something like math 001 or something to that effect (someone who's still a student there could give the exact description) which is basically intro to algebra, something I had in middle school. So, long story short, the calculus is certainly not required in all U.S. high schools, or even for admission to colleges. uhh, the whole education portion of this thread started as me pointing out that the US lacks engineers and such. it is now devolving into "what classes Balta took" and "what classes he thinks are important". oh, a lot of the foreign students i went to college with already knew calculus. i sure didn't and i was at a disadvantage... poor me

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 22, 2007 -> 01:49 AM) Bobby Howry would be nice Howry's return to the White Sox is as likely as David Wells coming back

if kenny plays his cards right, we might be able to get Howry back (the ultimate grinder).

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 10:55 PM) Who is then taken and shipped of to Arizona as we reaquire Chris Young. KW is a big fan of using recursion when trading

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 11:16 PM) In 2005 the SAT overhauled then test to eliminate some of the problem questions. If you search bias in math sat you will find several well researched articles and studies. Could we do better? Certainly. Should we switch over to a different model of public education because of standardized test scores? I'd want a whole bunch more data than test scores. Some countries may teach to the test and not real world practical math problem skills. i agree, the system shouldn't be totally changed. but as far as the math tests go, they aren't biased. if you know differential calculus and integral calculus you know it, if you don't you don't. there is no way i am going to be convinced Germany, Japan, South Korea, Canada, ect. all teach math a certain way that only carries over to testing. but anyways,

haha, dudes, that trade was obviously a joke.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 08:55 PM) I heard this rumor on the radio. The Sox will trade Mackoviac and Boone Logan for Aaron Rowand. Then we'll trade Rowand for Brandon McCarthy. Take it for what it's worth. hell yea! pull the trigger Kenny!

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 06:52 PM) Isn't that a cubs fan site? yea, but it's still funny

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 07:35 PM) we can't even produce a test in this country that isn't gender/race/region biased. I don't know how they came up with an international test that wasn't biased. texsox, it's a math test. it's not racist.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 07:22 PM) We have computers in every home, who needs math? One of the flaws in many of these studies are the sampling of students. We take all kids. Every one of them. Many countries are a bit more selective and some are left on the farm. maybe in countries like China, but most of the countries ahead of us on the list are reporting about the same percentage of students as the US. i don't think the findings are flawed.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 12:47 PM) I bet when you sit in those seats you get magical powers. f*** yea you do

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 21, 2007 -> 07:07 PM) Sounds like the health care refrain. I'll make you a deal...we can privatize the education system if you give me a public health care system. How's that for a trade? If you'd like my side can throw in Brian Anderson as well, it doesn't look like he'll be doing anything. actually, i think privatizing the education system is a bad idea. i also think Scott Podsednik starting for the White Sox is a bad idea.

lol, you guys are cherry picking the best schools. our national average is horrible. but hey, if you think the educational system is fine i'll totally belive you. i linked an article with a list of 30 countries and comparative high school math scores. the US finished 28th out of 30. we beat Mexico atleast. it's also not just the really poor schools in the US that do poorly compared to the rest of the world, it's almost all the schools in the US..... funding doesn't seem to be the problem seeing that we spend as much, if not more, than most countries on education. here's a link to educational spending http://www.oclc.org/reports/escan/economic...aryspending.htm link to our rankings http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1207/p01s04-ussc.html

CP: Jenks SU: Thornton SU: MacDougal MR: Logan MR: Sisco LR: Haegar

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 06:17 PM) They know the best education in the world is in the US? i think our Universities are the best in the world too, but there are some top Universities in Europe and Asia that might disagree with us. but i doubt they are very jelous of our high school, junior high, ect. educational standards.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 06:05 PM) So how come all the kids in my classes in college were Asian and Indian? Or were you talking about our lower level education systems? i was talking about our high schools. i said our Universities are good. The University of Illinios, for example, has an excellent computer science program. top 5 in the country, it is world renown (braggin about former school cause i'm like that ).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) Ozuna lines a ball to LF. Bounces around and becomes a double. Ozuna rules

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 03:52 PM) If Podsednik cant run, then he should be a 4th OF. if he can't run i wouldn't even have him on the roster

i did the same thing a couple years ago, the seed was fine even after freezing temps. when the weather warmed up the grass started growing real nice and all.

that guys is my new hero

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 01:09 PM) I fail to see how 2 mommies is the slightest bit relevant to the discussion. I believe he is mocking the NEA's educational priorities

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 12:38 PM) But then of course we limit the number of visas we allow for those type of workers to a number quite a bit below what could be used, cause you know, we can't have them taking our jobs. IMO it's a better solution to make our education system better, rather than rely on other countries to supply us with valuable workers. we do a pretty good at the University level, but the highschool level is really bad. the US already gives out a lot of high tech visas, i don't really think it's a good idea to give out more and more just to make up for americans being so dumb. but i guess we might have to. just as long as our students take lots of diversity class in highschool we should be ok QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 12:43 PM) So we wouldn't want to live in a country where everyone paid the same cost and everyone could "afford" to contribute. So we then we are asking some people to pay more than others. I'm guessing that most would gladly make that sacrifice. I also can agree with that. So why do we have a system where people do not pay anything? One answer is we have made it so expensive to live in this country that 40% of the people can not afford to pay any income tax. Why is it so expensive to live in the US? Just buying food, clothing, and shelter is too much for some people. How can we make it cheaper to live here, without robbing from the rich and giving to the poor? the cost of living in the US isn't that high compared to other first world countries. compare us to many European countries or Japan and you will see our cost of living is very reasonable. i'm not sure what you are trying to get at....

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 11:58 AM) Manufacturing is not needed for a middle class to flourish. In fact, as we move more and more away from manufacturing and towards technology and business, there is maybe even more opportunity for middle class incomes. Look at India - they basically had NO middle class (even though that had plenty of manufacturing) at all until the tech boom, which created one for them. the problem is that much of our work force is in no way ready to do high tech jobs. our education systems sucks at teaching the mathematical and engineering sciences. we have to bring in people from other countries to do a lot of high paying engineering and computer work.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 20, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) I'm thinking more along the lines of let's all pay the same amount in taxes. $1000 i'm all for lower taxes, but thats way too low. i think it's fine to have people with higher incomes pay slightly higher taxes, the thing i don't like is this nonsense that 60% or 70% income tax rates would be a good thing. the highest rate should be around 35% for the highest incomes, the average income should only be taxed around 20%.

i honestly hate all of them.