Bmr31

Whatever yas. Im a Sox fan and I dont care what some message board schmuck says. Im a Sox fan but I have a real short fuse... wow someone with balls.............and a self esteem.

4.26 era in the NL, as a RELIEVER is worse than bad, but hey let them think what they want..........

LAS VEGAS

dude i dont wanna be good ........

ummmmmmmmmm Rocky Biddle sucks, k?

I used to get all pissed off when the sox lost, too. Now I just take it in stride. I pretty much know they suck, so i just go

By the way.. there are not "millions" of suicides committed by people who have no one. I can't get the exact stats right now (f'ing firewall restriction at work! ) but most suicides are committed by middle to upper class professionals. Most are females - and the majority of them are mothers. I don't even think there were a million suicides in 2002, but I could be wrong. Although I'm pretty sure the number is a LOT less. K the numbers are wrong, the point isnt. How can the point not be wrong? You said what about the millions who are alone? That group makes up less than 5% of total suicides. The female # is something like 74%. These are females with children. How do you kill yourself when you have a child to take care of? How will that child survive? Do you not put your childs well being ahead of your own? And if not.. aren't you selfish? I've seen your point.. now take a look at mine. Yes, anyone who kills themselves and has someone depending on them is totally selfish.

Okay cool. Gotta go back to work, see ya.

By the way.. there are not "millions" of suicides committed by people who have no one. I can't get the exact stats right now (f'ing firewall restriction at work! ) but most suicides are committed by middle to upper class professionals. Most are females - and the majority of them are mothers. I don't even think there were a million suicides in 2002, but I could be wrong. Although I'm pretty sure the number is a LOT less. K the numbers are wrong, the point isnt.

Im just trying to let you see another view, I really dont want to fight with you.

Absolutely friggin right! Like I said earlier.. unless you've lived it in some way you can not have a true understanding. steff not every view of suicide is from the "victims left behind" view. Thats all you insist on seeing. When you get to the point of hurting so bad, that you kill yourself, other people SHOULDNT matter. Until you are there, or ever are there, your view really doesnt count. Bmr.. maybe you should read a little better. I HAVE been there. Then i dont understand how u can think its selfish. When it comes to the people i love, I am the most selfless person you would ever meet. The times i have been hurt, and they have been many, I fought through it. However, if it had been just a little worse, and i had actually done the act, believe me, the reason would NOT have been selfish. Bmr.. I never said my opinion is law. Based on me and my personal experiences, to me it WAS selfish. As far as me personally.. I did not have a gun to my head or anything like that (actually it was a very dark time after I lost both of my grandfathers within 5 weeks of eachother) and I was taking complete care of my grandmother. Things were VERY hard and one reason I snapped out of it was because if I had done something stupid it would have been my grandmother who had to resolve things for me (my parents were still living out of state at the time). To me.. had I decided to end my life, my grandmother would have been left to deal with the "mess". To me, that would have been selfish of me to just not care about what she would have to deal with. Am I making any sense here..? The main reason for suicides or attempts is the person feels completely alone, completely un-needed, coompletely worthless. No point of living. What about those millions of people who were to your point but have NO ONE to live for NO ONE who needs them and NO ONE who loves them? There are many. The reasoning is not selfish.

Nah i understand. You thought u might be better off dead, but you never seriously considered the actual act. Been there done that.

Absolutely friggin right! Like I said earlier.. unless you've lived it in some way you can not have a true understanding. steff not every view of suicide is from the "victims left behind" view. Thats all you insist on seeing. When you get to the point of hurting so bad, that you kill yourself, other people SHOULDNT matter. Until you are there, or ever are there, your view really doesnt count. Bmr.. maybe you should read a little better. I HAVE been there. Then i dont understand how u can think its selfish. When it comes to the people i love, I am the most selfless person you would ever meet. The times i have been hurt, and they have been many, I fought through it. However, if it had been just a little worse, and i had actually done the act, believe me, the reason would NOT have been selfish.

VEGAS!!!! I am heading to Vegas in a few weeks.

Absolutely friggin right! Like I said earlier.. unless you've lived it in some way you can not have a true understanding. steff not every view of suicide is from the "victims left behind" view. Thats all you insist on seeing. When you get to the point of hurting so bad, that you kill yourself, other people SHOULDNT matter. Until you are there, or ever are there, your view really doesnt count.

A clue anyone?

I am not saying the sox are going to win the division, but i have a feeling tonights game was the beginning of good things for the sox........... Damn it BMR don't jinx it! If we lose... We are 2-0 You live to post tommorrow...

Bmr.. I know circumstances are never the same. But it is my opinion that no matter what the pain, issues, or whatever, suicide is never the answer. It's morally wrong, a sin, (and please let's not get started on the religious part) and depending on what you believe, is a one way ticket to hell. I respect your opinion. But I stand by mine in thinking that all of it is selfish. Yes it is always wrong. I agree. I just dont agree that its always selfish.

Guys, the sox arent going to trade for Beltran. Hes too good. He would cost a lot....

I was speaking of hard drugs. I dont consider pot a drug.....

Like Brando says, it crosses the mind of even the best of people. Life brings just as many downs as ups, if not more. Some of those downs are beyond our control and very tragic. In addition, of COURSE you probably wouldnt kill yourself if youre sane......some peoples brains are f***ed up by drugs, brain damage, or mental illness. It just isnt fair to say all suicides are selfish.

just call em as i see em.........

He looked good but i have to disagree about his location. It wasnt bad, but when he is on, its much better than tonight. He is on the verge.......