Steff

OT.. is a BMI of 14.4 good for a 31 year old..???

I didn't get to hear all of Mark's comments earlier, but I just heard Cummings (rep from Maryland) ask him to comment on whether he used performance enhansing drugs.. he refused to answer. Then went on to say that he would be an "excellent" spokesperson to speak out against usage of those drugs... Apparently he's moved on from Andro to crack.

Any of you folks that weren't here earlier today and didn't yet comment.. care to comment on Jose's testimony today..? Anyone's opinion change about him? Think his motives are sincere?

Good grief people.. agree to disagree and let it go.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 09:04 PM) Steff, I dunno if you've already mentioned it or not, but do you believe Raffy? And, we all know he's lying. He took at least one performance enhancing drug (and I'm not talking about the 'roids)... LOL @ the Viagra comment.... No.. I don't believe him. I think he used.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) Wow 53 pages in 1 day, and it's a not a game thread. That's mightily impressive. 49 of them are my comments.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:59 PM) The acne part was a joke. What were the gains and the level and the length of use that will determine the abuse? If the gains were less than a 40% gain in the 1 time max rep than it wouldn't be sufficient to make a difference on an athletic field. You will not see the side effect for at 8-10 cycles. If he has been using it for less than that ( if its an oil based steriod) he won't have them yet. Steriods make the person feel good in the short term. It's the effect it has on the body long term that is the problem. JMO.. and I'm sure I'll catch some hell for it ... but I don't think discussing in detail the use and effects of roids is such a good idea.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:46 PM) I doubt it is true as well but how do you know that it isn't? Just curious. Frank donated bone marrow to his sister who ended up dying from Lukemia.. there is no way he could have donated if he had been taking them. This was between the time Frank was 13 to his early 20's.

They are replaying the players opening statements... Raffy pointing to congress... "I did NOT use roids...." Oye ve...

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) I have never actually injected steroids.. my friends have, but I have taken other illegal substances in pill form havent ever had a problem I should have been more clear.. didn't mean to imply you took them.. just hope that you, and them, never see the horror that is some users reality.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) wow Steff 200+ posts on this thread. Keeping of the life of it together, keep it up. Do I really...? Yikes. It's been a long time since I've been on here at night. My leggs are thanking me from not subjecting them to the usual 4 miles on the treadmill..

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) You know those oranges he used to sell....? OMG... I just spit milk all over my keyboard.. LMAO..

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:38 PM) Steff I didnt mean to make that seem like I was directing it to you, I forgot I hit quote No harm. I don't agree with you, based on my personal experience, but you're entitled to your opinion. I truly hope that you, and your friends that use them, never have the displeasure of seeing the negatives and destruction of them.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) My friend told me that Mac admitted to using roids? He could have been mistaken but he said that Mark admitted to using them today.. sorry if someone already mentioned this, I cant skim this huge thread.. Your friend is mistaken.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) Maybe the fans too? It's a real question, how much are fans willing to give up to see the game clean? And if it's so important to us, why haven't attendance and tv subscriptions fallen? Speaking for myself.. I think the clean players far outweigh the dirty ones. And thankfully, the team I support has a very "clean" record.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) Unless any of you have ever used steroids.. you dont know what your talking about thats all I have to say about it I've never used them.. but I know people who have and I've seen them destroy several lives.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:31 PM) Do you think Mac knows Sosa was on roids? Just wondering. Absolutely. Everyone that was using knows everyone else that was (is) using. And for the record.. in case it's not clear.. it is my opinion that Sosa and Mark both used roids.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:31 PM) so far, from what I have witnessed with my friends.. it has not "decreased" any qulaity in their life.. Your friends are very lucky.. from what I've seen first hand anyway.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:29 PM) It's true they vote him in, however I think he dictates the policy and they follow it. Because of the money he makes for them the don't attempt to vote him out. He doesn't negotiate their contracts... and he has no influence over what the idiot owners agree to pay them. Again.. you make good points, but I respectfully disagree.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) Since the players, vote the guy in, I agree with Steff on this. It'd be pretty easy to replace him if they actually wanted a different style. Which is exactly why I think the way I do about their relationship.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) I don't believe Fehr is the puppet. Like Marvin Miller, the head of the union convinces the players this is the right thing and they follow. Remember when the Sox as a team were going to skip the drug tests to make sure the minimum amount of negatives were found? Fehr went to Az and convined them not to do this because it may hurt other players. He has a great deal of power and the players as a group listen. I truly believe most players believe that tougher testing would be good but the union leaders have fought against it. Fair enough. I don't agree though.

Wow.. it's already 9pm there..

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:09 PM) I was wondering how true that was too, to be honest. Of course it was bulls***. They didn't give them the info because they didn't want to until they had to.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:08 PM) Do you get the same impression that I do that this committee would like nothing more than to get up walk over to Manfred & b**** slap the s*** out of him? Yep... and IMO.. there will be a veeerrrrryyyy long line to do so when these hearings are over.

And Bud just handed them Manfred's ass.....