Felix

f*** the Clippers

KEVIN MOTHERf***ING LOVE

The officiating in this MN/LAC game is a complete joke.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 20, 2012 -> 10:33 PM) It's very early. This year makes a much better case for Dwight than last year did, no question. Dwight was actually better last year than he's been this year. That's how good he was last year.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 20, 2012 -> 10:24 PM) Crazy. Reminds of Dwight. Funny how much you contradicted yourself in one post. Gosh, but if you foul Blake, he can't shoot free throws... at least Dwight (your 2011 NBA MVP) can hit free throws. Where did I say ANYTHING about free throws? I was talking strictly post moves, and while Dwight doesn't have the moves of, say, Al Jefferson, his moves make Griffin's look even worse.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 20, 2012 -> 10:21 PM) You're going to judge them when their best player (and a top 5 player in the world) is out? No, you misunderstand me. When they have both Butler and Paul, they still aren't that good a team. The fact that they're playing awful tonight without him has nothing to do with my opinion of their team, as this isn't the first time I've watched them.

Holy jesus the Wolves are playing terrible And this Clippers team is just bad.

He should have won it last year. Also, it's kind of sad how bad Blake Griffin is in the post. He should be able to score at will whenever he wants, but just doesn't have a clue about how to make a real post move.

I hate when officials wait to make a call until they see whether or not the shot was made.

I guess I wasn't really disagreeing with the notion that the Lakers are dreadful to watch, because they're almost as bad as watching the Knicks (which is saying something). I just don't like the Clippers hype that the media has played up this year, as they really aren't that good a basketball team.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 20, 2012 -> 09:15 PM) They're more fun to watch as a casual NBA fan than the Lakers right now So are the Timberwolves. Big whoop.

The Clippers are not that good a basketball team.

Considering they still have Paul Pierce under contract for an extra season (or two, I don't remember and don't feel like looking this trivial point up) and they're still probably a dangerous playoff team if they ever figure things out, there's no real motivation for them to trade Allen for a package that bad unless they had other deals in place to move either Pierce or Garnett.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 20, 2012 -> 12:05 AM) Draft picks. Second round picks? Oh boy!

Do I need to even ask why the Celtics would trade Allen for that kind of return, or have we already clarified that this is a fantasy universe where this will never, ever happen? Apologies if this has already been covered. The last few pages have been pretty absurd to read, so I've been zoning in and out.

QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 07:42 PM) The Heat just gave up 63 in the first half to San Antonio. Danny Green made buzzer beaters at the end of both quarters And then they gave up 12 in the third and scored 71 themselves in the second half. Jesus..

The Heat just gave up 63 in the first half to San Antonio. Danny Green made buzzer beaters at the end of both quarters

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) Don't turn into a prick towards me and question my education. I like Rubio's game and I know what total rebound percentage is. It's simple math. That's all I said. QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) How many of his rebounds are long rebounds? Or are they mostly in the paint where not a lot of guards go on the defensive end? Gray area. You didn't say any of this in your initial post. You said you don't like advanced basketball stats because 7.8 TRB% sounded like a big number, but he really only averages 4.4 per game. That basic math you talked about shows that 7.8 TRB% really isn't all that large a number, which is contrary to your initial post said. What you just brought up is a perfectly reasonable complaints, but it wasn't initially expressed in your post. QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) If sabermetrics in basketball meant much, you would see them used in the media and box scores more. Would you agree that sabermetrics in baseball means quite a bit these days? You still don't see them on box scores and most media still doesn't fully use them. There are SABR friendly media members and box scores, but they aren't widespread. Same thing in basketball, except it's a few years behind the progress that baseball has made. I mean s***, one of ESPN's biggest analysts is completely stat based. QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 06:03 PM) I'm sure Maya Moore just kills all sabermetric categories and that is why you want to hang onto it. This is honestly one of the laziest WNBA jokes possible. If you're going to take a cheap shot at me, could you at least put more than two seconds into it?

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 03:38 PM) This is why I am not a fan of sabermetrics in basketball. Rubio averaged 4 rebounds a game but the above stat makes it seem like he gets more. So you don't like advanced stats in basketball because you don't understand them? Ever think about educating yourself on them? They're very interesting (albeit not perfected). A 7.8 TRB% just means that Rubio grabs 1 out of every 13 or so rebounds. That doesn't seem like a particularly large number at all for most players (i.e. forwards), but for a point guard it's pretty good. Also, Rubio isn't expected to be a scorer because that's not his style of play. He's a pass first player and always will be. However, he will control the game (and has already shown that this season).

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 12:22 PM) Haha, I knew he would come up. Kidd was pretty solidly built though and a very physical guard. Look at his rebound numbers. Rubio and Kidd aren't the same player. Rubio is much closer to Nash stylistically, sans the jumpshot. Kidd is also one of the few guys that could get away with that style of play too. Have you ever watched Rubio play (or looked at his rebounding numbers)? He rebounds very well for a point guard and has a 7.8 TRB% this year (one of the top marks for point guards). Kidd definitely rebounds much better offensively given the extra bulk, but Rubio is certainly not a delicate little flower that shys away from contact. In fact, as this season has progressed opposing guards have actually become very physical with Rubio and he hasn't let it take him out of his game. I'm not saying Rubio is Jason Kidd because obviously Kidd was an outstanding player, but he has a very all-around game. QUOTE (Boogua @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 12:22 PM) There's tons of evidence showing how that handcheck rule changed the NBA. There was a reason that they had to implement it too, obviously. The players could no longer score at a high level under the old rules (due to lack of fundamentals). I've never disagreed with any of this, as it's very obviously true to anyone that has ever watched the league.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) His 42% last year would have still have him above Deron, Conley, Wall, Rondo, and Felton. It would also have him just about equal with Paul. Two years ago when he was carrying less of the load and was taking efficient shots we saw how much better his midrange game was. Whatever. A Ricky Rubio type player wouldn't even have been in the league 10-15 years ago. Look at Nash's first 4 or so seasons. That would have been Rubio. Have you heard of Jason Kidd before?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 11:57 AM) Totally unrelated, but Kevin Love is shooting over 5 threes per game this year? Wow. I've only seen a couple T-Wolves games, Felix, but is he spending a ton of time behind the three point line? It's absolutely insane that he can jack up so many 3's (while hitting 36%, no less) yet still average over 14 boards. What a freak. He's been doing pick and pops with Rubio (and Ridnour to an extent) a lot this year. It's taken a hit on his efficiency, but his usage rate has jumped as well so that's to be expected somewhat. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) Yeah, we all get it. Rose isn't shooting 50%. He shoots a f***ton, but thankfully the little mix of game he brings is enough to be one of the more dominant players in the game (when healthy). A Bulls fan, by the way, can absolutely adore Derrick Rose, while also understanding the faults of his game. The final package remains one of the absolute most valuable in the game today. That wasn't a critique of Rose at all. I just find it funny that someone can actually be complaining about the state of the NBA (lots of good point guards that rely on their quickness and are inconsistent shooters), and then at the same time claim to be a huge Bulls fan (who rely heavily on their quick, inconsistent shooting point guard). You seriously don't see the hilarity in that?

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 11:47 AM) Why's that? Derrick Rose actually has a pretty good midrange jump shot. He just tends to fall in love with shooting 3s. With that said, I will still gladly concede the fact that Derrick Rose wouldn't have averaged 25 and 8, at that age, even 10 years ago. How are we defining "pretty good"? Rose shot 42% from 10-15 feet last year (league average was 40%). He shot 50% from that range in 2009-10, so that'd be pretty good, especially since it was a drastic improvement over his 38% mark from that range as a rookie. In his career (including his 31% mark from that range this year), that'd be 42%, which is basically average.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jan 17, 2012 -> 11:25 AM) There's a reason why all these guys are "electrifying". The reason is today's NBA is pretty much a joke. I still watch and I'm still a huge Bulls fan, but the game has gotten so much worse from the 90s. Ever since they implemented the handcheck rule in 04-05 the game has been a guard dominant league. It was only a matter of time before it became a PG dominated league because they are the quickest guys on the court and can take full advantage of the rules. There's only a few on that list that can actually hit a consistent jump shot. It's a joke. "Huge Bulls fan" complaining about point guards that are quick and can't hit jump shots? I'm so confused right now.